Batman 1 CGC 9.4!!!! 6 6

[Moondog]

9 hours ago, Crowzilla said:

Agreed. Tiny color flakes that you have to go to 4x magnification to see don't bother me too much. The overall eye appeal is impressive. And to answer Gary's question earlier, yes I think this is easily worth more than the 9.4 Marvel #1.

Is it then just a matter of timing?  If the Batman 1 showed up last November (instead of the MC 1) would it have sold for the numbers we're discussing now?

[Mmehdy]

11 minutes ago, Moondog said:

Is it then just a matter of timing?  If the Batman 1 showed up last November (instead of the MC 1) would it have sold for the numbers we're discussing now?

Timing is everything in sales...I do not think you would be in the same ballpark...more investor types coming in...today

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

6 minutes ago, szav said:

Nothing happened at all.  They simply don't put "rusted staples" on the label any longer.  I'm sure its in the graders notes if you pay for them.  I think they do this as a favor to sellers or perhaps to get people to pay for graders notes.

Sadly I got burned on a GA CGC 9.0 a few years where you couldnt see the top staple in the scan.  The book was immaculate and fortunately only cost about $300.  When I got it I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it, the top staple was so rusted it had enlarged, but somehow the rust didnt seem to have spread to the paper.

I thought maybe it rusted after slabbing, so I ordered to graders notes to confirm...but to my surprise the only note in the graders notes was "Top staple rusted".  Not sure how they ever gave this book a 9.0.

So...sadly every time I get a book online, if I can't see the staples I have to order the graders notes or ask the owner.  It's happened multiple times now on books between 8.0-9.0 where even the notes will say "moderate rust top staple" etc.

That is horrible!

I am sorry this happened to you, but greatly appreciate you sharing this! Thank you.

[Mmehdy]

21 minutes ago, szav said:

Nothing happened at all.  They simply don't put "rusted staples" on the label any longer.  I'm sure its in the graders notes if you pay for them.  I think they do this as a favor to sellers or perhaps to get people to pay for graders notes.

Sadly I got burned on a GA CGC 9.0 a few years where you couldnt see the top staple in the scan.  The book was immaculate and fortunately only cost about $300.  When I got it I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it, the top staple was so rusted it had enlarged, but somehow the rust didnt seem to have spread to the paper.

I thought maybe it rusted after slabbing, so I ordered to graders notes to confirm...but to my surprise the only note in the graders notes was "Top staple rusted".  Not sure how they ever gave this book a 9.0.

So...sadly every time I get a book online, if I can't see the staples I have to order the graders notes or ask the owner.  It's happened multiple times now on books between 8.0-9.0 where even the notes will say "moderate rust top staple" etc.

I would think that might be one of the important issues when undisclosed...sorry to here that about the purchase...

[Crowzilla]

52 minutes ago, Moondog said:

Is it then just a matter of timing?  If the Batman 1 showed up last November (instead of the MC 1) would it have sold for the numbers we're discussing now?

Since the 9.2 had an $850K offer nearly six years ago (Jan 2015), I'm going to say yes.

[waaaghboss]

2 hours ago, szav said:

Nothing happened at all.  They simply don't put "rusted staples" on the label any longer.  I'm sure its in the graders notes if you pay for them.  I think they do this as a favor to sellers or perhaps to get people to pay for graders notes.

Sadly I got burned on a GA CGC 9.0 a few years where you couldnt see the top staple in the scan.  The book was immaculate and fortunately only cost about $300.  When I got it I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it, the top staple was so rusted it had enlarged, but somehow the rust didnt seem to have spread to the paper.

I thought maybe it rusted after slabbing, so I ordered to graders notes to confirm...but to my surprise the only note in the graders notes was "Top staple rusted".  Not sure how they ever gave this book a 9.0.

So...sadly every time I get a book online, if I can't see the staples I have to order the graders notes or ask the owner.  It's happened multiple times now on books between 8.0-9.0 where even the notes will say "moderate rust top staple" etc.

That's actually kind of stunning that they don't disclose rusted staples on the label.   Grading is subjective and all, but who here would want a "9.0" book with rust?  Wowzers...

[ChasingKingKirby]

8 hours ago, waaaghboss said:

That's actually kind of stunning that they don't disclose rusted staples on the label.   Grading is subjective and all, but who here would want a "9.0" book with rust?  Wowzers...

Not I.  I'm a low-grade key collector, but I still think long and hard about books with rusty staples.   Honestly, it's better to just have the staples removed to save the paper.  I had an All Winners 1 that had staples removed and was still slabbed blue label.  At some point, it needs to be about preserving the book.  

[tth2]

23 hours ago, buttock said:

I'm going to cut and paste the first 6 pages of this into the next "OMG!" thread about a HG key, because it's pretty much the same conversation every time and that will save everyone the effort.  

 

[tth2]

22 hours ago, woowoo said:

22 hours ago, G.A.tor said:

its the 3rd 9.0 upgraded to 9.4...not these 2

[tth2]

21 hours ago, sfcityduck said:

21 hours ago, Chicago Boy said:

Another versus I didn’t think of. Highest graded Bats 1 vs highest graded MC 1  ( with a pedigree )  both 9.4.  DC vs Marvel baby !!!!!

 

 

DC is wiping the floor with Marvel.  Action 1 and D27 are on completely different level.  DC second tier stronger than Marvel top tier.  AS 8 left CA 1 in the dust.  Batman 1 will leave MC 1 in the dust.  

 

[tth2]

12 hours ago, Mmehdy said:

it seems more and more that  grading standards are being lowered and more modification of the GA/SA books

You're only realizing this in 2020?! 

[manetteska]

More of a general question, but on huge keys like this (not saying this one in particular), who do you think is used for pressing?

On my $500 golden age comics I'm concerned about sending them out and having additional damage done b/c the thing is 70-80 years old.

[woowoo]

13 hours ago, Mmehdy said:

.it seems more and more that  grading standards are being lowered and more modification of the GA/SA books which in turn leads to regrade and resub and regrade and resub and while that generates additional fees

I will say in this last month i have gotten an e-mail almost everyday from CGC and the other company. I don't read them anymore but never have i got so many e-mails so

1- Business is slow

2 Business is slow so resub your $$$ books for a fee

3 I will say makes me want to Resub my Tec 1 and 27 my Batman 1 from pgx to cgc don't know what the cost is or if its worth changing since they are Restored and the grades match my grades and nobody cares on restored book's 

[woowoo]

6 minutes ago, manetteska said:

More of a general question, but on huge keys like this (not saying this one in particular), who do you think is used for pressing?

On my $500 golden age comics I'm concerned about sending them out and having additional damage done b/c the thing is 70-80 years old.

+1

[Mmehdy]

1 hour ago, manetteska said:

More of a general question, but on huge keys like this (not saying this one in particular), who do you think is used for pressing?

On my $500 golden age comics I'm concerned about sending them out and having additional damage done b/c the thing is 70-80 years old.

2020 is a game changer as we all have extra time to think, collect, and watch the comic book auction market explode..  and that is the issue.. the risk of damaging vs improving... and catching the market just at the right time to sell or trade up.   
my advice on the pressing is this... if you are gonna press and flip...now..  I would do from a  monetary standpoint. If these are your permanent collection books I would leave unrestored or the fancy way to say conserved  ... oops that not it... sad state of affairs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chicago Boy]

2 hours ago, tth2 said:

 

Baio and aames are at each other’s throats on Facebook these days.  It’s been my guilty pleasure to observe. 

[manetteska]

20 minutes ago, Mmehdy said:

1 hour ago, manetteska said:

More of a general question, but on huge keys like this (not saying this one in particular), who do you think is used for pressing?

On my $500 golden age comics I'm concerned about sending them out and having additional damage done b/c the thing is 70-80 years old.

2020 is a game changer as we all have extra time to think, collect, and watch the comic book auction market explode..  and that is the issue.. the risk of damaging vs improving... and catching the market just at the right time to sell or trade up.   
my advice on the pressing is this... if you are gonna press and flip...now..  I would do from a  monetary standpoint. If these are your permanent collection books I would leave unrestored or the fancy way to say conserved  ... oops that not it... sad state of affairs.

To my original question: perhaps Susan?

On my own comics, I would like to have some of them graded for protection and as a restoration check. It's easy for a GA comic to be additionally scuffed/chipped/etc going in and out of bags -- especially those hard plastic "bags". Also, if I am having them graded, I would want to do any pressing before to avoid double-grading costs in the event I do sell down the line.

[fishbone]

15 hours ago, Mmehdy said:

that is a great question....apparently so...it seems more and more that  grading standards are being lowered and more modification of the GA/SA books which in turn leads to regrade and resub and regrade and resub and while that generates additional fees to the CGC and higher auction results, this "game" long term hurts the true GA/SA long term collector/investor with no assurance that some 8.5 copy is gonna come up to your 9.0 level at anytime. I would really like an answer to staple cleanng...that seems to be conserving 

Do we know for sure this book has rusted staples today , I'm not clear on this .... but what about just plain staple replacement with nice non-rusted vintage staples ? I had a high-end GA book purchased raw several years ago, and Matt identified  non-vintage staples on it and replaced with vintage, and it got a blue 9.0 .....

Edited November 25, 2020 by fishbone

[fishbone]

2 hours ago, woowoo said:

I will say in this last month i have gotten an e-mail almost everyday from CGC and the other company. I don't read them anymore but never have i got so many e-mails so

1- Business is slow

2 Business is slow so resub your $$$ books for a fee

3 I will say makes me want to Resub my Tec 1 and 27 my Batman 1 from pgx to cgc don't know what the cost is or if its worth changing since they are Restored and the grades match my grades and nobody cares on restored book's 

nobody cares on restored books !?   really ?   when they are those 3 books, I would think a LOT of people care, just to own one complete in any form must be a dream for most .......

[bluechip]

4 hours ago, ChasingKingKirby said:

Not I.  I'm a low-grade key collector, but I still think long and hard about books with rusty staples.   Honestly, it's better to just have the staples removed to save the paper.  I had an All Winners 1 that had staples removed and was still slabbed blue label.  At some point, it needs to be about preserving the book.  

This is another intersection where logic diverges.  Because cleaning something is "restoration!"  and removing it is not, so better to discard and destroy a part of the book than to see the entire book labelled as desecrated?