picon3 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) Number 6, Looking at various combinations of Power Record sets, I see what we used to call a "cut out" in which the album had an edge or two clipped off ; or in the case of Power Records the area punched price out and/or the cut edge. I'm guessing this was in order to prevent returning for full credit/refund? Having fun so far with my mini-horror set. (Frank, Drac, Man-Thing so far). Grabbed this image off to note the punch out/cut edge I'm referring to. Paul~ Edited April 13, 2021 by picon3 Clarification Garystar and OtherEric 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Number 6 Posted April 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, picon3 said: Number 6, Looking at various combinations of Power Record sets, I see what we used to call a "cut out" in which the album had an edge or two clipped off ; or in the case of Power Records the area punched price out and/or the cut edge. I'm guessing this was in order to prevent returning for full credit/refund? Having fun so far with my mini-horror set. (Frank, Drac, Man-Thing so far). Grabbed this image off to note the punch out/cut edge I'm referring to. Paul~ I’m not completely dialed in on all the details of vinyl record collecting, but this is my remedial understanding (and if someone has a more detailed explanation please chime in) My understanding is that records that went unsold were returned to the distributor and these remaindered copies either had their corner clipped, a notch sliced out of the top edge, or had a hole punched through one corner and were then sold at discount outlets. (Kind of like books that have a black ink remainder mark on the bottom of the page block when they don’t sell for retail and are then sold at the discount tables at Barnes & Noble) Since Power Record comics have a record, they were subject to the same practices of remaindered returns. Your copy above has the bottom outside corner clipped, indicating it was a remaindered copy. However, I think the price punch-out is something different. This is an example of a remainder punch where it goes through the album corner: However, on your copy the punch only goes through the front cover. I think this is because it either had a $1.98 price sticker or a Peter Pan sticker over the price. In fact, I think I can just barely make out the faint discoloration from where there was a sticker over the price. In most cases, when these stickers were applied by the manufacturer, the original $1.49 printed price was punched out first (though I have seen a couple of examples of stickered copies where the price wasn’t punched) However, over time the sticker glue can lose it’s adhesiveness and the sticker can slide off. Here is an image grabbed from an eBay listing where you can see the second copy from the top has the sticker sliding off and the underlying punched price. I think that may be the case with your copy as well. Edited April 13, 2021 by Number 6 Get Marwood & I, Brock, picon3 and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picon3 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 As always, great info. Just wanted to clarify that that is not my personal copy, but an image that I grabbed off of eBay to illustrate the edge clipping and hole punching. Sorry about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garystar Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Yes, thanks both for this info, very illuminating, a couple of mine have price punched out and one clipped, good to know this is part of the distribution process and not some kid mutilating them. On the downside until this thread started I thought I had all the Marvel ones, I now know there are $1.49 issues, blank price issues, punched issues, $1.99 stickered issues, clipped issues, Peter Pan re-issues and on top of that one of my Spider-Man LPs is lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigJ Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Loved these as a kid and playing records on my cheesy turntable as I followed along. Good times! I've read post's here, and saw some discussion about CGC and noting "Record not Included". That being said, perhaps I missed it, but will CGC grade book WITH the record? Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 59 minutes ago, TheBigJ said: Loved these as a kid and playing records on my cheesy turntable as I followed along. Good times! I've read post's here, and saw some discussion about CGC and noting "Record not Included". That being said, perhaps I missed it, but will CGC grade book WITH the record? Regards You could ask CGC if they will, but while there hasn’t been a huge amount of PR graded, there is enough that I’m sure someone has attempted to send both the book and record. I doubt the notation is due to a lack of trying or asking. I think I may have even asked years ago just to make sure. I don’t know for a fact, but I suspect that if someone sent both CGC will probably send the record back in the bag/board that the book was sent in along with the graded book. Worse case scenario is that the record somehow gets separated, lost and doesn’t accompany the book back. I don’t think the notation really that much to be concerned about. It’s not as though the book is receiving a green label for being incomplete. They’re just noting for historical purposes that originally the book came with a record but the record isn’t inside the CGC holder. Probably also serves as a heads-up to prospective buyers that they should be looking for a record to be accompanying the CGC book. This is my inelegant solution (which will probably upset some that I would desecrate a slab this way): I put the record in a BCW poly-lined sleeve, put that inside a Golden Age poly bag, and tape that to the back of the slab with Magic Tape (which isn’t as sticky as the Mylar clear tape). This works well with the new slabs as the back is recessed. Of course, you could always keep the records in bags/boards filed in a separate box, but there’s a number record label variations and I like to make sure I keep the exact record with the exact book. Morganmi, Get Marwood & I, OtherEric and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post picon3 Posted April 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2021 I went to SC ComicCon this past weekend in Greenville, SC. At the 2nd to the last booth, they had this propped up for sale. It is so nice that I'm considering sending it to CGC. A couple of questions Number Six. I agree, sending the 45 is probably a bad idea, so I won't, but was curious about cleaning/pressing. Have you sent PR in for slabbing that they were able to clean/press? I've become a believer in that if you are going to submit, you should pay the extra tariff and get it done before grading. Also, have you been able to sort out what they might be looking for with grading. Note in the close up here, the stress at the spine. I'm guessing this is going to knock it down considerably? Thanks, Paul~ OtherEric, Get Marwood & I, ADAMANTIUM and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, picon3 said: I went to SC ComicCon this past weekend in Greenville, SC. At the 2nd to the last booth, they had this propped up for sale. It is so nice that I'm considering sending it to CGC. A couple of questions Number Six. I agree, sending the 45 is probably a bad idea, so I won't, but was curious about cleaning/pressing. Have you sent PR in for slabbing that they were able to clean/press? I've become a believer in that if you are going to submit, you should pay the extra tariff and get it done before grading. Also, have you been able to sort out what they might be looking for with grading. Note in the close up here, the stress at the spine. I'm guessing this is going to knock it down considerably? Thanks, Paul~ First of all, congratulations on the score. That is a nice looking copy. As far as grading, I don't know that I have enough experience say that I have expert advice on what to send for grading or give an estimation on what a book might grade. I can only provide my limited experience so far. Of the PR books I have graded, I sent four in myself: PR-25, -26, -27, and -29 (-30 was purchased already graded) None of the books I submitted were pressed or cleaned by me, they were just straight submissions. As far as I can see, -25, -26 and -29 don't have any stress marks that I can see. The -25 got a 9.6 and it does have a hint of wear to the bottom of the spine. I know the -26 has about a 1/4" bend to the bottom right corner and even with a press I think the evidence of the bend would still be there. The -29 is the one I can't figure out. To my eyes it actually looks a bit nicer than the 9.6 PR-25, and there's no grader notes. Considering the QC issues CGC's been having I almost wonder if it's a labeling mistake, but I don't feel like spending the money for shipping and re-grading only to have CGC say "yeah, we didn't make a mistake". The only thing I can think of is that storing the record in the back cover sleeve can cause a crescent-shaped bend to form and I wonder if that may be what's going on with the -26 and -29. On the PR-27 there looks like there's maybe a couple of tiny spine stresses but the thing that's really holding this one back is there is a small moisture stain on the bottom left corner of the back cover. I don't remember this being there when I submitted it, and I've heard rumors that Neal will eat and drink while signing and sketching but I don't know for a fact that's what happened and it's been a long time, I may have just missed it. A couple things I've learned from submitting these: if I have any asperation of hitting the 9 grades it has to be a really sharp copy. CGC doesn't cut any slack for the fact that these were originally shrink wrapped. And in the future, I will be taking detailed pictures of the outside and inside of the book to get a better understanding of how they are arriving at the grade on these. To give a counter-point to my copies, there was a CGC copy of PR-12 that sold a couple of months ago on Clink (I'll post pictures in a minute). Clink acknowledged it was the highest graded copy. Considering that the stain (which CGC deducts heavily for) brought my PR-27 down to a 7.5 I'm thinking there must be some issues with the back cover (I wish I had had the presence of mind to ask for a back cover scan). As you can see from the auction results, being the highest graded copy didn't help it much, it went for $26 (although, honestly, I don't think Clink may have been the best venue for this judging from completed sales of raw copies on eBay). As for pressing: I'm not an expert on that either. I don't have my books pressed by CCS, I send them to someone else who I personally think takes much greater care. The problem with PR is the cardstock cover, which isn't going to give as much as a paper cover. There was a member here who posted in another thread pictures of his PR books that he pressed himself and the stress marks were all still clearly visible. The danger I would think is that if a presser gets too aggressive trying to get movement out of the cover, it could end up damaging the book. I think the best a press is going to do is that if the book is curved or bowed from being shrink wrapped over the years a press may get the book flat, but that's probably about it. If it has the crescent-shaped bend on the inside back cover flap, it might help with that, but there you're trying to get movement on a double-thick layer of cardstock. That's one of the challenges but also one of the things I kind of like about PR: if you're going to get a high grade on submission you have to have a pretty high-grade copy to begin with, they can't just be easily manufactured with pressing. That's not to take anything away from your copy. I see spine stresses and some wear to the top and bottom of the spine, but I've seen factory-sealed copies that have as much wear as that. The outside corner tips are nice. I'm concerned about the stray blue marks in the price circle, whether they're printing artifacts (they look to be about the same color as the banner) or if they're something else. Still, I think the monster books are hard to find in really nice shape, so this is a nice pick-up. If I saw this in the wild, I wouldn't pass it up either. Out of curiosity, are the inside covers blank, or do they have the line drawings of the Marvel and PotA characters? 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picon3 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 #6, Sorry for the delay in responding. The inside of the covers are yellow with line drawings of the marvel characters plus POTA. After some soul searching, I've decided not to submit PR-17 to CGC. Going over it with a loop, I see too much that could definitely impact the grade (and although I bought these 4 Monster Power Records for myself PR14 Frankenstein, PR15 Dracula, PR16 Man-Thing, PR17 Wolf-Man (Werewolf by Night) one always has to have an eye down the road when eventually it will be sold by me or one of my kids). So, I'm just going to enjoy the set of 4, put them in mylar and call it good. Many thanks for all the info and illustrations. Great thread! Paul~ OtherEric 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Number 6 Posted June 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) These don’t have comics, but the cover art is by Neal Adams so I thought I’d go ahead and post them here. I got these in the mail a few weeks ago. They have more coroner wear and bending on them than I would prefer, but these are hard to find sealed, let alone without a stickered-over price. I do dig the vintage price stickers on the back. They fact that they’re Fantucchio copies tipped me over. I had the Batman and Superman records as a kid. I vividly remember the Batman one, but for the life of me I couldn’t tell you what the Superman one is about. Didn’t have the Plastic Man/Metamorpho one as a kid, but the fact that it has Adams art and is such a left-field choice for an album (Green Lantern and Supergirl would seem to be better choices) made it a must-have. Edited June 11, 2021 by Number 6 OtherEric, Morganmi, picon3 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rexinnih Posted June 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2021 Total nostalgia buy as I remembered having this as a kid. Saw it on Ebay a couple years ago signed by Herb Trimpe and had to pick it up. Larryw7, ADAMANTIUM, Get Marwood & I and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morganmi Posted July 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2021 Picked this one up at a local comic/record store the other day. 😊 MisterX, Get Marwood & I, ADAMANTIUM and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 The PR 12 Captain America book that was graded 6.5 by CGC and sold on ComicLink a couple of months ago for $26 has now been listed for sale on eBay for $239.95 I added it to my watch list as I was curious to see if there was a difference in the market for this on eBay as opposed to Clink. Since it was on my watch list, the seller sent me an offer of $40 off his listed price. So apparently he has some wiggle room. Anyway, I’m not posting this to take shots at the seller. It’s his book, he can ask whatever he wants. At the time of the Clink auction there were only 2 copies on the census and this was the highest and with all the crazy money being thrown around who knows. I thought I would post this up because the seller’s photos highlight some defects that weren’t apparent in the Clink listing. I thought they might provide some insight into what CGC considers a mid-grade copy of these books. picon3, OtherEric, FoggyNelson and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Number 6 Posted November 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2021 Rather than excessively bump this thread - as I’m sure it’s of limited interest - I thought wait and post some of my Power Record acquisitions from that last couple of months in a single post. First up is a PR-25/26 book and cassette twin-pack. I was excited to get this because the PR-26 looks like it might be high-grade enough to submit to CGC so I’m probably going to slit the plastic on the back and remove it from the set. Hopefully there’s no issues on the back cover. From where it stands now there seems to be just a tiny spine stress and some wear to the bottom two corners. While some may be shocked that I would open this sealed set to remove a book, consider that 1) I got this dirt cheap 2) it’s not in the best shape overall, the cassette is age-yellowed and the corners have wear particularly on the corner with the PR-25; that corner wear plus the pulling at the staples from the back cover being wrapped around the double thickness of cardboard pretty much make the PR-25 worthless 3) in my search I’ve found that 99.9% of the ST: TMP PR-26s I see are remainder clipped and for the ones that aren’t clipped are thrashed. Even if this isn’t good enough for CGC this looks like my best shot at getting a raw unclipped copy for my collection. The next acquisition is a sealed copy of PR-32. This is one I need for my collection. It’s in really nice shape though not good enough to go to CGC as there’s too much bending and there’s some indentations on the lower back cover. Plus I’m not sure how CGC would handle the red price sticker over the punched-out original printed price once it’s out of the shrink wrap, I don’t know how knowledgeable they are about that. While I’m still on the lookout for a nice NM copy of this issue with the printed $1.49 price, I thought it would be cool to have the red sticker variation as well. This last one I just got in the mail a couple of days ago. I’m very happy with this one as it’s completely factory sealed, lays very flat and has sharp corners. I wish my Scarecrow record was in as nice a shape. Now I just have to get the Riddler record. For everyone of these “wins” I’ve had several disappointments, usually because the sellers have no clue how to properly pack these. Sometimes it almost makes me want to throw in the towel on getting these. But I won’t bore everyone with the stories of my PR “fails”. Get Marwood & I, OtherEric, FoggyNelson and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 01TheDude Posted November 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2021 My mom used to work at K-Mart during this time in the mid 1970s-- and she helped me pick up this single power record which I still have (about an 8.0). Only one I ever owned. PR31 and while I also consider these to be simply Power Records -- it is listed as Peter Pan Records: Book and Record Set on Comic Book Realm. https://comicbookrealm.com/series/19224/0/power-records-peter-pan-records-book-record-set ADAMANTIUM, picon3, Morganmi and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) Last couple of weeks haven’t been great for acquisitions, always something to turn a “win” into a “meh” Case in point: this seems to prove what I’ve said before - that 90% of the people selling these Power Record books have absolutely no clue how to pack and ship comics, or anything of value for that matter. I spotted this pair of PR-25s, I was especially interested in the first issue as it has the Peter Pan sticker and I rarely see those with an unclipped corner and in decent shape. Decided I’d like to have an example of this variant in my collection. The seller had “free shipping” which automatically made a red flag go up so I asked him how he planned on packing these. He responded that they would be put between two pieces of cardboard and shipped in a bubble mailer. Ok, if done right that could do the job and I didn’t want to be obnoxious by pressing the issue and bought the pair. So when they arrive I find that he packed the books with them floating between two pieces of flimsy cup-up Priority Mail box cardboard which was open on both ends. As a result, both books ended up with an impact crunch to the top edge: I sent a terse message with pics and stating this is exactly WHY I asked about how these would be packed. The seller made it right and I still have the book. It was never “high-grade” to begin with but just a shame that it could have been in nicer shape than it is now. Edited December 16, 2021 by Number 6 picon3 and Morganmi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Such a shame when this happens. Collectibles somehow managed to stay in great shape, against all the odds, for forty plus years. Then, just as they are about to be united with a loving, careful owner, some wally puts them in a jiffy bag and tosses them into the unloving, uncareful hands of the post office. Forty five years of unlikely preservation gone in an instant. Spider-Variant, Number 6 and Morganmi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigLeagueCHEW Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 On 12/16/2021 at 1:09 PM, Number 6 said: Last couple of weeks haven’t been great for acquisitions, always something to turn a “win” into a “meh” Case in point: this seems to prove what I’ve said before - that 90% of the people selling these Power Record books have absolutely no clue how to pack and ship comics, or anything of value for that matter. I spotted this pair of PR-25s, I was especially interested in the first issue as it has the Peter Pan sticker and I rarely see those with an unclipped corner and in decent shape. Decided I’d like to have an example of this variant in my collection. The seller had “free shipping” which automatically made a red flag go up so I asked him how he planned on packing these. He responded that they would be put between two pieces of cardboard and shipped in a bubble mailer. Ok, if done right that could do the job and I didn’t want to be obnoxious by pressing the issue and bought the pair. So when they arrive I find that he packed the books with them floating between two pieces of flimsy cup-up Priority Mail box cardboard which was open on both ends. As a result, both books ended up with an impact crunch to the top edge: I sent a terse message with pics and stating this is exactly WHY I asked about how these would be packed. The seller made it right and I still have the book. It was never “high-grade” to begin with but just a shame that it could have been in nicer shape than it is now. Had this happen in the past. I always offer to pay a bit more if needed when asking for in a box sandwiched between 2 pieces of cardboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoggyNelson Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Some good reading in this thread , great reading👍‼️😷 ADAMANTIUM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 On 12/19/2021 at 6:31 AM, BigLeagueCHEW said: Had this happen in the past. I always offer to pay a bit more if needed when asking for in a box sandwiched between 2 pieces of cardboard. In the past, when I thought I might be in for shoddy packing, I have tried offering more money for secure shipping. And the thought did cross my mind here. But my experience has been - and maybe it’s just me - generally when someone doesn’t get, they just don’t get it. So when I’ve sent more money in the past, I didn’t get secure shipping, I got the same garbage packing…just more of it. That’s what makes pursuing these kind of frustrating: I’ve I steered clear of every seller my gut told me didn’t know how to pack, I’d probably never pick up any Power Records at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...