cgc Which CGC comic is your most prized slab? 6 6

[Ryan.]

[Jeffro.]

5 minutes ago, Ryan. said:

+1

[LDarkseid1]

4 hours ago, Adam Lui said:

@LDarkseid1 Not knocking your comic because I love it too, but just can't believe CGC hands out 9.8's when several spine ticks exist + staples are off-center + the cover is crooked. You got lucky if you were the submitter!

No it’s ok people love to knock lol. The book is perfect in every other way. So to think it can’t get a 9.8 due to 2 minuscule spine ticks is nuts, especially considering it’s from the early 50’s and the kind of paper it has. The off center spine and staples are manufacturing defects so doesn’t get hit there. It’s just the way the book came off the press. If we were talking 10.0 or 9.9, yeah I don’t have a shot in the world, but 9.8 is still doable. People always forget about production defects when they grade sometimes, as well as the fact a 9.8 is not a “perfect comic”. I think people have this preconceived notion a 9.8 is perfect but it’s not.

Edited April 16, 2021 by LDarkseid1

[Adam Lui]

I wasn't knocking you, just CGC. The age of a comic is not taken into consideration by most graders, revealing their clear motive to be less strict for more profit. As a reminder, here's their grading scale:

As you can see, 9.8 is the highest grade that allows for negligible manufacturing defects. As mentioned already, however, off-center staples AND off-center cover (to the point the DC logo is literally touching the edge) = hardly negligible (if it were only one or the other then it's negligible because not as glaringly noticeable) Combine that with the multiple ticks + wear along the right edge and "negligible" becomes impossible to most graders, making it 9.6 tops....

But as stated, you got extremely lucky that someone was probably having a good day or was a fan of the title/era. He even gave it WHITE when there it's clearly tan. Unless of course this is a regular occurrence where older comics are treated differently, in which case their grading scale is highly flawed because 9.8 should mean exactly what it says on the tin.... negligible defects (both handling and manufacturing yet this one has a lot combined) without accounting for age (since it is not explicitly stated as a factor), as low-grade GA's already demanded higher prices prior to CGC's existence, so it inflates it even MORE if they're truly factoring age as you claim

Edited April 16, 2021 by Adam Lui

[Adam Lui]

1 minute ago, Testinadicalicious said:

You love putting your foot in your mouth, don't you? 

Here are Heritage's standards: https://comics.ha.com/tutorial/comics-grading.s?show=comicdefinitions

See any mention of factoring age into grading? Now read their explanation of scarcity of comics:

Golden Age comics (1941-1952):
Surviving comic books would number from less than 100 to several thousand copies of each issue. Near Mint to Mint copies are a little more common but are still relatively scarce, with only a dozen or so copies in this grade existing of any particular issue. Exceptions would be recent warehouse finds of most Dell comics (6-100 copies, but usually 30 or less), and Harvey comics (1950s-1970s) surfacing. Due to low paper quality of the late 1940s and 1950s, many comics from this period are rare in Near Mint to Mint condition. Most remaining copies are VF or less. Browning of paper could be a problem.

So they are explaining that, BECAUSE of the paper quality in older books, NM is rarely achievable. (For them to factor age they would've stated "Regardless of low paper quality")

[Adam Lui]

5 minutes ago, Testinadicalicious said:

So Heritage's standards are CGC's standards?

Heritage's standards are most definitely clearly not CGC's (I completely believe LDarkseid1's suspicion CGC's factors age). You quoted me saying others don't factor age, so I proved it with Heritage as an example. Visit any other auction site and you will notice something similar

7 minutes ago, Testinadicalicious said:

And how does your response address the "less strict for profit" claim you made?

Achieving higher grades more easily after submission creates more demand among GA collectors who want to resell at higher prices, boosting CGC's popularity and increasing revenue. Profit = revenue - expenditures so the latter remaining constant (since one would assume they don't pay a grader more to grade higher) makes the profit difference larger

[Adam Lui]

It's always possible they do but more likely just a company policy dictated by executives/stakeholders given to waged employees

Edited April 16, 2021 by Adam Lui

[Adam Lui]

Just now, Testinadicalicious said:

you are just precious. I look forward to your future meltdowns.

Meltdowns? I don't understand...?

[Adam Lui]

Perhaps I didn't explain profit clear enough? The formua is P = R - X

Here is P = R - X as a baseline

$1000 = $2000 - $1000

Here is P = R - X where R increases but X remains constant

$2000 = $3000 - $1000

X is the cost of CGC giving out policy to factor age. Since it costs nothing, it remained constant while increased demand drove revenue upwards thereby increasing profit

[Adam Lui]

2 minutes ago, Testinadicalicious said:

The cover isn't crooked it's a miswrap.

A miswrapped cover creates a crooked appearance thus lowering its appeal and less negligible the more slanted it is, especially when combined with other manufacturing defects such as off-center staples (let alone the handling ones)

[Adam Lui]

I don't understand what you're saying, because it's miswrapped it doesn't appear crooked to you? So if a human manually made it slanted it would..?

[Adam Lui]

Just now, Testinadicalicious said:

I wish you were right, but you are wrong. Borock said about 15 years ago that GA is graded more leniently because of their age.

IDK who Borock is but if you are referring to CGC then I already stated I agree with ldarkseid that his suspicions are true (CGC's not most graders as originally stated)

[Adam Lui]

You are suggesting other graders the same way, no one's disagreeing that CGC's not..

[Adam Lui]

Just now, Testinadicalicious said:

You're the only person on this board that calls it crooked 

That's not true, 353 others have (you just joined yesterday how could you even know):

 

[Adam Lui]

In response to a miswrap:

On 7/2/2009 at 12:06 PM, jimjum12 said:

If it doesn't bother you, crooked books sometimes go more cheaply in the uber grades

 

[theCapraAegagrus]

It's the guy from the playing cards sub-forum. Friday is on, baby!

[Adam Lui]

So as you can see, members who joined 12 years before you have been calling it "crooked" because naturally it is not centered and crooked means off-center

[Adam Lui]

Just now, Angel of Death said:

It's the guy from the playing cards sub-forum. Friday is on, baby!

What playing cards? I have been playing cards all night incidentally (the French game of Baccarat, James Bond's game of choice)

[Adam Lui]

Ohhh I recognize you now you're following me around I see

[theCapraAegagrus]

Yeah, a guy who frequents these boards 5 days a week for 5 years is following you around.

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