Popular Post Moondog Posted April 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2021 I'm not going to steal Heritage's thunder, but I will say that I spoke to a close buddy today who told me that they will be selling a new pedigree collection of 5,000 high-grade GA books. What he was telling me was absolutely mind-blowing. They're still out there! batman_fan, Larryw7, Rip and 14 others 13 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowzilla Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Don't tell Mitch. He said no more collections like that will ever surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury Man Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Pictures or it never happened. Moondog and Courageous Cat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tth2 Posted April 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2021 Is there an Action 1, Detective 27 or Batman 1? Because nothing else matters anymore. woowoo, Gotham Kid, Zolnerowich and 8 others 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 41 minutes ago, Moondog said: I'm not going to steal Heritage's thunder, but I will say that I spoke to a close buddy today who told me that they will be selling a new pedigree collection of 5,000 high-grade GA books. What he was telling me was absolutely mind-blowing. They're still out there! That's impressive if it came from an OO. We all know that there are still troves of high grade comics residing in collections that could qualify as a pedigree, like BZ's 2,500 "WTG" books. If this is a truly new OO discovery, that's pretty fun! Pickie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 I’ll look forward to seeing that 👌 Gotham Kid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickie Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 (edited) hm, Chinatown? Has been promoted here a bit, sort of ... Either way, much appreciated event ... Ah, no, Chinatown is 1,300+ books ... Edited April 18, 2021 by Pickie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmehdy Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Crowzilla said: Don't tell Mitch. He said no more collections like that will ever surface. It depends on what you call Original Owner... I was referring to a "Billy Wright" type collection, one that was purchased off the newsstand...There could be several OO SA collections still out there . If OO is referring to a original collector such as the "dentist"...there are hundreds of them. There is more and better material still not graded than is. If this is a new 5000 book collection "billy wright" style...and well then this will be the last one ever discovered for GA material in that quantity. Edited April 18, 2021 by Mmehdy pemart1966, mcribar and aardvark88 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entalmighty1 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mmehdy said: It depends on what you call Original Owner... I was referring to a "Billy Wright" type collection, one that was purchased off the newsstand...There could be several OO SA collections still out there . If OO is referring to a original collector such as the "dentist"...there are hundreds of them. There is more and better material still not graded than is. If this is a new 5000 book collection "billy wright" style...and well then this will be the last one ever discovered for GA material in that quantity. Until the next one, for sure. BlowUpTheMoon, tth2, Crowzilla and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemart1966 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 If it ain't OO then it ain't pedigree! Crowzilla and Randall Dowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 1 hour ago, pemart1966 said: If it ain't OO then it ain't pedigree! Not true. All it takes to get a pedigree is for a dealer to submit a group of books he attests came from one original owner. The OO does not need to make the submission. And the submission by the dealer or collectors who bought from the dealer can be years after the fact, after the comics have already entered the marketplace. LDarkseid1 and jimjum12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 16 hours ago, LDarkseid1 said: I’ll look forward to seeing that 👌 +1 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmehdy Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 3 hours ago, pemart1966 said: If it ain't OO then it ain't pedigree! There is a difference between newsstand bought and collector bought both can be on the label jimjum12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Just thought about the craziness that would be those grading fees! Several different scenarios, but 5000 high grade golden age books. I mean even if you did every single one at standard tier, saving 20% with the auction house. So at $48 per book after the 20% off, that’s still $240K in grading fees 🤯. Keep in mind that’s just grading, you start pressing and obviously considerably more. And of course much higher if express or walkthrough, then looking at like $500K-$750K. Nice to have a huge auction house to front those costs 😁 Mmehdy, KCOComics and jimjum12 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Chalk it up to the cost of doing business. Danny D had it right when he said that grading would make you take on a lot of partners in your collection to sell for what they are worth! LDarkseid1 and ThothAmon 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pemart1966 Posted April 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Mmehdy said: There is a difference between newsstand bought and collector bought both can be on the label I suppose that I should have said, to avoid confusion, "If it ain't newsstand bought, it ain't pedigree." Right now though current CGC labelling makes no distinction between newsstand bought and collector bought. I don't know that I'm a big fan of seeing labels acknowledging collector accumulations. I am a huge fan though of OO newsstand collections. Tri-Color Brian, Randall Dowling, Comicshows and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, pemart1966 said: I suppose that I should have said, to avoid confusion, "If it ain't newsstand bought, it ain't pedigree." Right now though current CGC labelling makes no distinction between newsstand bought and collector bought. I don't know that I'm a big fan of seeing labels acknowledging collector accumulations. I am a huge fan though of OO newsstand collections. The labeling of a Nic Cage collection book is different than the labeling of, for example, a Cosmic Aeroplane. But, a Billy Wright, which went straight from the OO to an auction house is not distinct from a Cosmic Aero or a Kansas City or any number of other "pedigrees" which filtered out to the market through a dealer or dealers. So here's my hypothetical: A guy finds 2,500 high grade GA comics in a garbage can and takes them to a dealer. The dealer puts them into his personal collection but keeps them segregated. 50 years later the dealer wants to bring them to market as a pedigree. Works or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemart1966 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, sfcityduck said: The labeling of a Nic Cage collection book is different than the labeling of, for example, a Cosmic Aeroplane. But, a Billy Wright, which went straight from the OO to an auction house is not distinct from a Cosmic Aero or a Kansas City or any number of other "pedigrees" which filtered out to the market through a dealer or dealers. So here's my hypothetical: A guy finds 2,500 high grade GA comics in a garbage can and takes them to a dealer. The dealer puts them into his personal collection but keeps them segregated. 50 years later the dealer wants to bring them to market as a pedigree. Works or not? Not a pedigree in my opinion. You have no way of knowing the original source of those books - were they bought second hand or off of the newsstands? The others you mentioned regardless of whether they went straight to auction or were purchased by a dealer CAN be traced back as OO newsstand purchased and therefore rightfully deserve the moniker "pedigree". Edited April 19, 2021 by pemart1966 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmehdy Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, sfcityduck said: The labeling of a Nic Cage collection book is different than the labeling of, for example, a Cosmic Aeroplane. But, a Billy Wright, which went straight from the OO to an auction house is not distinct from a Cosmic Aero or a Kansas City or any number of other "pedigrees" which filtered out to the market through a dealer or dealers. So here's my hypothetical: A guy finds 2,500 high grade GA comics in a garbage can and takes them to a dealer. The dealer puts them into his personal collection but keeps them segregated. 50 years later the dealer wants to bring them to market as a pedigree. Works or not? not for me either,:Pedigree" has become diluted similar to "unrestored" over the years. pemart1966 and D84 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sagii Posted April 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) As far as name 'collector' collections go , not Pedigrees I know, but I'd hold the Jon Berk collection in different esteem than say, Nic Cage or Blades. Cage had some of the most important books in the hobby in his collection for a time, but not that very long. The other half of the allure is his celebrity status and that the books were stolen in my opinion. Berk was a comics historian and amassed a hoard that spanned practically all the early publishers , pedigrees and further educated the community on said stories of many such items causing us to take notice of them (Larson, Centaurs, pre hero). And the books were in his possession for many years before being sold. Edited April 19, 2021 by sagii Yellow Kid, jimjum12, Zolnerowich and 8 others 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...