956Ref Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Howdy. I came across two books that have Kirby and Stan autos on the splash page. They are still raw and would like some help authenticating them. If anyone can offer their experience I would greatly appreciate it. I have no backstory other than an older collector came into a nearby LCS and sold them. I’m interested but would like to avoid a fake if possible. The two books are X-men 10 and X-men 12. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revat Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 For Stan Lee, there are millions of certified authentic copies available online you can view and compare on your own. You can start with Cgc SS copies on eBay. for jack kirby, someone else can chime in who knows more about it than me. also, if you do a bit of research, there are some companies you can pay to have the signatures professionally assessed and authenticated. good luck P.s. as an internet random stranger who may or may not have knowledge, experience, good/bad eyesight, or my own nefarious agenda, I’d rate them as more likely real than not. thehumantorch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
956Ref Posted June 22, 2021 Author Share Posted June 22, 2021 Well I don't own the books yet. I am in the process of figuring if I would like to purchase them. Obviously the LCS has priced them on being the signatures are authentic, but I was trying to determine before I made purchase. Since its hard for me to send the book to get authenticated prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee91 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 15 hours ago, 956Ref said: NICE. I'm no expert, but these look legit to me. And being on X-Men keys, I can't even imagine how much they're probably asking for them. If you do get them, feel free to PM me and I can give you specific details as to why I think they're good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyAteMyDingo Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Another grading company would certify them. They use Beckett as a certifier. While they aren't bulletproof, I think they are correct more than incorrect. I have seen Kirby's wife sign stuff for Jack Kirby and while the signatures look similar, hers are always "neater'. To me, these look real. Perhaps you could strike an agreement with the LCS. If Beckett's say "No these are fake" in writing, you will get the premium back you paid for the signatures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozonetv Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I just got this book rejected by cbcs - Everyone I showed it to seem to think its the real deal. Oddly, I submitted a second book signed by Kirby (that I picked up from the same guy) and it passed with flying colors. ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee91 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Ozonetv said: I just got this book rejected by cbcs - Everyone I showed it to seem to think its the real deal. Oddly, I submitted a second book signed by Kirby (that I picked up from the same guy) and it passed with flying colors. ugh. Yeah, your Kirby sig looks legit. Even though it sucks that Beckett screwed up, at least you still have an amazing sig. Voldemort used to have David Angelo Roman verifying Kirbys, and he really knows what he's doing. Unfortunately, Beckett has been absolutely TERRIBLE at correctly verifying Jack Kirbys - which is a shame since they used to be so good at it. Curious: your second book that did pass verification. Was the signature from the same era as the one you posted above? Edited June 25, 2021 by eee91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozonetv Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 3 hours ago, eee91 said: Yeah, your Kirby sig looks legit. Even though it sucks that Beckett screwed up, at least you still have an amazing sig. Voldemort used to have David Angelo Roman verifying Kirbys, and he really knows what he's doing. Unfortunately, Beckett has been absolutely TERRIBLE at correctly verifying Jack Kirbys - which is a shame since they used to be so good at it. Curious: your second book that did pass verification. Was the signature from the same era as the one you posted above? hard to say - I dont think they were signed at the same time, and the guy I bought them from didnt get them signed himself... eee91 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 8:40 AM, 956Ref said: Howdy. I came across two books that have Kirby and Stan autos on the splash page. They are still raw and would like some help authenticating them. If anyone can offer their experience I would greatly appreciate it. I have no backstory other than an older collector came into a nearby LCS and sold them. I’m interested but would like to avoid a fake if possible. The two books are X-men 10 and X-men 12. Any information would be greatly appreciated! What state are you in? Different states have different laws pertaining to selling autographed items. As I understand it, most states require a seller to give a money back guarantee on the items authenticity. If the store owner is honest, he will back the books. If he is selling as is, he isn't worth dealing with. If the seller wants a premium pri ce, let him authenticate them. Offer a deal contingent on the signatures being verified. The problem is getting them slabbed eliminate the ability to see the signature so you are paying a premium for them having touched the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyAteMyDingo Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 2 hours ago, K.P.D. said: CBCS doesnt work that way. They never say the sig is fake, they just say it could not be verified. Well, that is fair enough. I have never seen that on a label "Signature Could Not Be Verified". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozonetv Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Just now, BabyAteMyDingo said: Well, that is fair enough. I have never seen that on a label "Signature Could Not Be Verified". Technically they say its "rejected". I know...sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyAteMyDingo Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Ozonetv said: hard to say - I dont think they were signed at the same time, and the guy I bought them from didnt get them signed himself... You see this one looks like a Kirby signature his wife signed to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyAteMyDingo Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Ozonetv said: Technically they say its "rejected". I know...sadly. Ah. So they send it back with a note saying "rejected" and you get your grade and a blue label. Sorry for that. Whose signature did they punt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozonetv Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Just now, BabyAteMyDingo said: You see this one looks like a Kirby signature his wife signed to me. That was verified...not that it means it wasn't signed by Roz tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozonetv Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Just now, BabyAteMyDingo said: Ah. So they send it back with a note saying "rejected" and you get your grade and a blue label. Sorry for that. Whose signature did they punt? I told them if it wasnt verfied not to grade it - I'd rather have it CGC'd...it was a kirby. BabyAteMyDingo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyAteMyDingo Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ozonetv said: That was verified...not that it means it wasn't signed by Roz tho. Very strange. To me it looks neater than Kirby's normal signature. Roz Kirby did more harm than good, it would appear. Best intentions and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee91 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Ozonetv said: hard to say - I dont think they were signed at the same time, and the guy I bought them from didnt get them signed himself... WOW. NICE. Yeah, that wasn't signed at the same time. With the way his signature changed over his lifetime, I'm guessing that your Avengers 1 was signed sometime before the FF 10, but that's just a guess of mine. James J Johnson or Mr Zipper would know more. 2 hours ago, Ozonetv said: Technically they say its "rejected". I know...sadly. Yup, Ozonetv is right. If you request to not slab your book if it doesn't pass verification, they send it back with a sticker on the bag that says REJECT. If you tell Voldemort to slab the book even if the sig doesn't pass verification, their blue label will say: "Jack Kirby signature (on 1st page) unverifiable by BAS". 2 hours ago, BabyAteMyDingo said: You see this one looks like a Kirby signature his wife signed to me. Respectfully, totally disagree. Ozonetv's two books look like Jack - not Roz. This is a photo someone posted on the boards here a few years back. You can see the top sig is Jack - the bottom two sigs are (most likely) Roz- 2 hours ago, Ozonetv said: I told them if it wasnt verfied not to grade it - I'd rather have it CGC'd...it was a kirby. Can't believe Beckett would think a Jack Kirby sig in a book with the PASSPORT BOOK SHOP stamp was sus. Yeesh... For what it's worth, my last two Kirby sig books I sent to Voldemort got rejected, too. Instead I took really good photographs of the signature, then sent the books to CGC to get slabbed. They'll get blue labels with "Jack Kirby written on page 1 in pen" on the label - then I'll keep photographs of the signature with the slab whenever I want to enjoy them. Now I just have to hope to get my Kirby books back from CGC sometime before 2023... SpidersComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namisgr Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 (edited) Kirby signed this for me at the NY Comic Con in 1975, so no need for verification. Of course after being sold 40 years later, the provenance can no longer be tracked. At that time, he certainly embellished the capital J more than in a couple of the sigs posted above. Edited June 26, 2021 by namisgr greggy, eee91 and mr_highgrade 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csaag Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Here's a signature of mine which was verified by CBCS eee91 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexinnih Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 I actually got disappointing news back from PSA this week on this one that I had both Kirby and Stan Lee sign in person. There was a note that while the Stan Lee was genuine, they couldn't verify the Kirby. My mistake as now I realize I should send it into CBCS for verification as they should have more experience with Kirby signatures. eee91 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
