Does CGC really give priority by tiers? Doesn't look that way to me. 2 2

[sfcityduck]

Thank you CGC for culling out the disruptive previously banned poster who decided to lob defamatory attacks at Matt Nelson and myself!

And, I assure my friends who are the same side of this discussion as that poster, there is no guilt by association and you are not responsible for that poster's bad behavior.  Carry on!

[theCapraAegagrus]

2 minutes ago, sfcityduck said:

Action Comics 1 is not eligible for Economy grading.  But, setting aside the extra time an Action 1 might get in the grading process because of its historical significance and high value, it might take less time to grade than the Action 1000 depending upon the grading increments which are in play.  But, in any event, differences in grading time should be irrelevant in a true "first-in, first-out" set up because grading time should slow down the whole line (Modern and Economy if they are equal tiers), not just the Economy books (unless it really isn't "first-in").

999/1000, Action Comics #1 takes more time to grade than Action Comics #1000. The point is that the comparison of 2 ages at their closest difference is equally as silly as comparing them at their furthest differences. It's about averages.

This thing called "supply and demand" are why 1 service has higher prices and longer TATs than another.

[sfcityduck]

17 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

 

This thing called "supply and demand" are why 1 service has higher prices and longer TATs than another.

It is all one service: grading.  And the grading service is supposed to be provided, CGC says, on a "first-in, first-out" basis with higher tiers getting preference.  If Economy and Modern are equal tiers, than Economy and Modern should have the same TATs.  They don't.  So CGC should be moving graders from Modern to Economy to at least equal it out.  If Economy is a higher tier (as I contend), than that need is even more obvious as Economy should have priority.  (No one is contending Modern is a higher tier.)

Another example of the problem: There cannot be any doubt that Standard is a higher tier than Modern.  Yet, Modern Fast Track priced at $37 bucks has faster TATs than Standard priced at $75 bucks, even though both tiers grade Moderns.  That too is messed up.  How do you reconcile that one?

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[theCapraAegagrus]

4 minutes ago, sfcityduck said:

It is all one service: grading.  And the grading service is supposed to be provided, CGC says, on a "first-in, first-out" basis with higher tiers getting preference.  If Economy and Modern are equal tiers, than Economy and Modern should have the same TATs.  They don't.  So CGC should be moving graders from Modern to Economy to at least equal it out.  If Economy is a higher tier (as I contend), than that need is even more obvious as Economy should have priority.  (No one is contending Modern is a higher tier.)

Another example of the problem: There cannot be any doubt that Standard is a higher tier than Modern.  Yet, Modern Fast Track priced at $37 bucks has faster TATs than Standard priced at $75 bucks, even though both tiers grade Moderns.  That too is messed up.  How do you reconcile that one?

If 10 people submit for Modern and 25 people submit for Economy, how would you expect them to have the same TAT...?

[sfcityduck]

18 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

999/1000, Action Comics #1 takes more time to grade than Action Comics #1000. The point is that the comparison of 2 ages at their closest difference is equally as silly as comparing them at their furthest differences. It's about averages.

 

Even an Action 1 does not take 40 days longer to grade than a modern book.  For a true "first-in, first-out" system, even if a low grade GA book (under $400) takes a bit more time than figuring out the gradients amongst super high grade moderns (which may not be true), that should not lead to a situation where books submitted on the same date ("first-in") are coming out 40 work days apart (the current gap between Economy and Modern).  That gap tells you that CGC needs to shift graders to Economy from Modern to at least even things out and make it true "first-in, first-out" as they have represented.  

Not sure how anyone can view this differently. 

[theCapraAegagrus]

2 minutes ago, sfcityduck said:

Even an Action 1 does not take 40 days longer to grade than a modern book.  For a true "first-in, first-out" system, even if a low grade GA book (under $400) takes a bit more time than figuring out the gradients amongst super high grade moderns (which may not be true), that should not lead to a situation where books submitted on the same date ("first-in") are coming out 40 work days apart (the current gap between Economy and Modern).  That gap tells you that CGC needs to shift graders to Economy from Modern to at least even things out and make it true "first-in, first-out" as they have represented.  

Not sure how anyone can view this differently. 

1 word you keep forgetting, that corrects all confusion:

[sfcityduck]

3 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

If 10 people submit for Modern and 25 people submit for Economy, how would you expect them to have the same TAT...?

Either (1) recognize that graders can grade both Moderns and Economy comics and just pass the comics by the group of graders on a "first-in, first-out" regardless of tier (which would even things out) or (2) if you must have a group of Modern graders and a group of Economy graders for your own internal tracking process, shift graders from the Modern group to the Economy group to make sure you able to have enough staff to match demand.  It is an easily solved problem.  CGC could do it very easily.

[theCapraAegagrus]

Just now, sfcityduck said:

Either (1) recognize that graders can grade both Moderns and Economy comics and just pass the comics by the group of graders on a "first-in, first-out" regardless of tier (which would even things out) or (2) if you must have a group of Modern graders and a group of Economy graders for your own internal tracking process, shift graders from the Modern group to the Economy group to make sure you able to have enough staff to match demand.  It is an easily solved problem.  CGC could do it very easily.

CGC is hiring. Submit your application.

[sfcityduck]

4 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

1 word you keep forgetting, that corrects all confusion:

Dictionary definitions don't tell you anything about the inner workings of CGC.  The only way they have gotten this type of disparity between Moderns and Economy is one or the other of the following:  Either (1) they are opening Modern submissions early, before previously submitted Economy submissions (e.g. not "first-in") or (2) they have inadequately staffed the Economy grading group (if there is such a thing), as compared to the Modern grading group, resulting in longer delays for Economy than for Modern.

An example, if it takes 15 graders to grade 100 Economy submissions at the same rate as 10 graders could do 100 Moderns, on average, than the solution is to have more Economy graders than Modern graders to to hit this balance.  

This is not rocket science.

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[sfcityduck]

3 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

CGC is hiring. Submit your application.

Now that's just waving a white flag.  I'm glad you recognize the problem, they need to shift the balance of graders between Economy and Modern until it balances out.

[theCapraAegagrus]

2 minutes ago, sfcityduck said:

Dictionary definitions don't tell you anything about the inner workings of CGC.  The only way they have gotten this type of disparity between Moderns and Economy is one or the other of the following:  Either (1) they are opening Modern submissions early, before previously submitted Economy submissions (e.g. not "first-in") or (2) they have inadequately staffed the Economy grading group (if there is such a thing), as compared to the Modern grading group, resulting in longer delays for Economy than for Modern.

An example, if it takes 15 graders to grade 100 Economy submissions at the same rate as 10 graders could do 100 Moderns, on average, than the solution is to have more Economy graders than Modern graders to to hit this balance.  

This is not rocket science.

TATs are by definition estimated averages, though...

[theCapraAegagrus]

1 minute ago, sfcityduck said:

Now that's just waving a white flag.  I'm glad you recognize the problem, they need to shift the balance of graders between Economy and Modern until it balances out.

I'm not, I just don't see the fun in arguing your head-canon.

[sfcityduck]

10 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

TATs are by definition estimated averages, though...

And the average for Moderns, which you say is the same tier level as Economy, is must shorter than the average for Economy (e.g., not "first-in, first-out" except for priority given to higher tiers).

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[theCapraAegagrus]

Okay...?

[sfcityduck]

5 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

Okay...?

That fact is not consistent with the statement I highlighted in the first post of this thread:

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We understand that some of you are disappointed that your turnaround time is longer than expected. Our posted turnaround times are our best estimates, but a variety of factors — including many outside of our control — can impact the actual turnaround time. We are working on a first-in, first-out basis with higher grading tiers prioritized.

CGC controls the number of graders they assign to a tier.  Based on the above, Economy books submitted before Moderns (e.g. "first-in" Economy) should be "first-out," not 40 work days later on average.  Solution is simple, shift graders from Modern to Economy until the TATs at least even out (assuming they are the same tier) or Economy is faster (if Economy is a higher tier).  Same for Standard.

[theCapraAegagrus]

2 minutes ago, sfcityduck said:

That fact is not consistent with the statement I highlighted in the first post of this thread:

Sure it is, since Economy and Modern are only separated by age. Neither of them are priority. That's why you don't mark "EC" on your boxes of old dreck.

[sfcityduck]

2 minutes ago, xxIcexx said:

It's not defamatory if it's true.

 

You're back?  Same sockpuppet creation date as Buzz Cola.  Same lack of common sense as your comment untruthfully defamed me as well.

[sfcityduck]

3 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

Sure it is, since Economy and Modern are only separated by age. Neither of them are priority. That's why you don't mark "EC" on your boxes of old dreck.

So Standard is also only separated by age?  That's why we don't mark Standard on on the boxes?  You are wrong again.

The best thing we can do for CGC is identify the problems that cause us frustration and suggest solutions.  Burying a problem like a cat in a litter box does not solve it.

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[sfcityduck]

Again, I think Matt will solve problems if we identify them and provide productive feedback.  

[theCapraAegagrus]

10 minutes ago, sfcityduck said:

So Standard is also only separated by age?  That's why we don't mark Standard on on the boxes?  You are wrong again.

The best thing we can do for CGC is identify the problems that cause us frustration and suggest solutions.  Burying a problem like a cat in a litter box does not solve it.

Um, no.