ttfitz Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 In tonight's Heritage Auction, there is a graded Fantastic Four #1 that is a Qualified 0.5, which I don't really understand. I thought the Green Label/Qualified grade meant "if it wasn't for this particular thing, this would be the grade", like a VF copy that had a Marvel Value Stamp removed, or such. I don't get how a Qualified book grades as a Poor, I mean that's pretty much the bottom of the grading scale anyway, right? I guess incomplete, but this isn't that, unless a married cover counts as incomplete. Seems like just a straight "Poor" would be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D84 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Any married cover/pages or replaced staples gets a green label. Not sure for the reasoning, because both of those seem like restoration to me. ttfitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry JSA Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 6:56 PM, D84 said: Any married cover/pages or replaced staples gets a green label. Not sure for the reasoning, because both of those seem like restoration to me. I don’t consider marrying a page or cover restoration. Restoration is adding to a book to improve its esthetics, whereas marrying is just exchanging parts amongst the same issued comic; all the parts are original to that issue, just across several copies of the same comic. The Lions Den, Larryw7, Nic8612 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D84 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 6:41 PM, Terry_JSA said: I don’t consider marrying a page or cover restoration. Restoration is adding to a book to improve its esthetics, whereas marrying is just exchanging parts amongst the same issued comic; all the parts are original to that issue, just across several copies of the same comic. I see your point, and I've married pages or a centerfold myself. Maybe green is a better label than restored, since most people treat it like the plague, but I don't think qualified is right either. Maybe just put it as a note on a blue label? That doesn't sound right either. Who knows? Terry JSA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry JSA Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 8:13 PM, Mylark said: Attaching a cover is not adding to the book to improve its aesthetics? Yes but but it’s not on the same level as cleaning, trimming, or color touch since you’d be altering or adding to the book in order for it to present better. Larryw7, Mylark and jason4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrain Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 8:03 PM, Amazeron said: That’s probably the reason that CGC grades it qualified. Since it’s exchanging parts by damaging another copy of the same, it’s not exactly restoring. One could say it’s.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttfitz Posted July 26, 2021 Author Share Posted July 26, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 8:27 PM, Terry_JSA said: On 7/25/2021 at 8:13 PM, Mylark said: Attaching a cover is not adding to the book to improve its aesthetics? Yes but but it’s not on the same level as cleaning, trimming, or color touch since you’d be altering or adding to the book in order for it to present better. One could argue that it is an extreme version of "pieces added" which is on a number of my restored books.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 It looks like that book has only a married front cover. No back cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttfitz Posted July 26, 2021 Author Share Posted July 26, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 11:11 PM, JollyComics said: It looks like that book has only a married front cover. No back cover. Not sure if you are saying it doesn't have a back cover, or just that it's only the front cover that is married. But it does have a back cover: JollyComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjpb Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 I wonder if it's really married as the missing chunk matches front and back, and it seems unlikely that whoever went to all the trouble to tape the spine back together wouldn't tape the chunk back on if it got torn after the taping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) On 7/26/2021 at 12:25 AM, ttfitz said: Not sure if you are saying it doesn't have a back cover, or just that it's only the front cover that is married. But it does have a back cover: Thanks for showing the back cover. You can see different (old and new) tape repairs on the covers in two different times. The dark tape stains on BC must be the original so the front cover doesn't have the dark stains that came from the different cover. Those new tape repairs attached both married front cover and back original back cover. Either complete cover or half cover is from other book is married to this book is qualified. Edited July 26, 2021 by JollyComics Larryw7 and ttfitz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 On 7/26/2021 at 3:29 AM, rjpb said: I wonder if it's really married as the missing chunk matches front and back, and it seems unlikely that whoever went to all the trouble to tape the spine back together wouldn't tape the chunk back on if it got torn after the taping. Maybe the submitter ripped a chunk off of the back cover in order to match the front with the intent of trying to trick CGC into thinking that the covers weren't married. JollyComics and ttfitz 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregwynn Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 i have an old label Avengers 4 with a married cover that is graded 8.5 Qualified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 Maybe it's an NG if not for the Qualified label. ttfitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 On 7/26/2021 at 5:29 AM, jimbo_7071 said: Maybe the submitter ripped a chunk off of the back cover in order to match the front with the intent of trying to trick CGC into thinking that the covers weren't married. I thought about that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CK-1 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 It probably would have been smart for the original submitter to request a blue label (I'm pretty sure you are in your right to do so and take what is usually a lower grade) as .5 is the lowest possible grade and people will likely bid more. That is if CGC would actually do that for a .5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnkurJ Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 I owned this book for a number of years but never had it graded. It was sold raw. I had bought a coverless in the late 90's that had beautiful snow white pages. Found a copy with a giant chew through the entire book and the interior was obviously effected, so I swapped out the interiors. Kept it for years but had to sell it to pay for something else. So in a nutshell, the entire cover is married, not just the front cover. However due the giant chunk it would only grade a 0.5 I guess. grendelbo, Msgarmar and ttfitz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msgarmar Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 The @The Lions Denhas a great explanation on page 3. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skypinkblu Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 I never argued with them about the book. My only concern was them saying the pages were split, since they were not when I sent it in. I really forgot about it...maybe I'll just list it since I gave up on completing the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttfitz Posted August 1, 2021 Author Share Posted August 1, 2021 On 7/31/2021 at 11:37 PM, skypinkblu said: I never argued with them about the book. My only concern was them saying the pages were split, since they were not when I sent it in. I really forgot about it...maybe I'll just list it since I gave up on completing the run. I should have known that you'd already asked this question long ago! skypinkblu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
