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THE MARVELS starring Brie Larson, Iman Vellani and Teyonna Parris (2023)
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namisgr

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On 11/16/2023 at 3:40 PM, Bosco685 said:

RELEVANT INQUIRY FOR THE WORLD TOPICS THREAD:

I'm trying to buy 16" x 4" x 25" furnace filters. Any provider recommendations?

I'll take my answer offline.

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Should have them aplenty at Home Depot

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On 11/17/2023 at 3:43 AM, VintageComics said:

They don't. Again, you mischaracterize my points. I said that MOST of my experiences come from real life. 

I didn't say anything about MOST. You gave an example of your experiences from dating apps. I said:

Maybe dating apps aren't the best place to get your examples of human behavior. 

How'd you get that wrong?

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On 11/16/2023 at 3:19 PM, jaybuck43 said:

There are some additional issues that have not become public yet and I am not sure if they will.  But the main one was that Iger believed that Chapek would keep his personal views more in check so as to not rock the apple cart.  He... didn't.  This caused A LOT of friction amongst those executives.  Disney has done a very good job keeping this story contained.

I did a quick search and couldn't find anything related to this. What were the personal views that Chapek didn't keep to himself?

 

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On 11/4/2023 at 6:28 AM, TupennyConan said:

From what I can tell, this is the target demographic for all MCU product post-Endgame. The given middle age male fanbase was mocked and ridiculed, the existing male heroes were satirized, sidelined, and gender-swapped, all in an effort to win the target demographic, and of course, to defeat oppression, which is the authentic, real-world enemy, as Namor lectured to us in WAKANDA for-naught. The mandate behind the target demographic was social justice.    

Pre-Endgame, the MCU was able to diversify its given middle age male fanbase with this demographic. Young women were all-in. Everyone was all-in. There was social unity, happiness, and heroism. Massive profits, too. It was a great achievement. The audience, the world, the MCU wasn't split into warring camps by Disney in some self-destructive attempt to purify the social order.    

Post-Endgame, the given middle age male fanbase has learned they're the problem, somehow, someway, and no cares about the MCU, most especially young women. 

I posted a helpful thread summary back on pg97. 

 

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On 11/16/2023 at 3:50 PM, VintageComics said:

I did a quick search and couldn't find anything related to this. What were the personal views that Chapek didn't keep to himself?

 

As I said, the stories have not gotten out, and I will not be getting sued LOL 

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When Giant Size X-Men #1 came out and the X-Men book was re-started (at #94), it was NOT a success. 

In today's world, it would be viewed as a 'failure' of 'diversity' and that the non-white, male dominated reader of comics, just weren't listened to and that Marvell's desire to appeal to 'Black Females' with a character like Storm, a Russian with Colossus, or God Forbid, a Canadian, with Wolverine, had failed miserably. 

The first Statement of Publication for the book, about 16 issues in, was 123,725, low even by the falling standards of 1978 (Example of the higher end: Amazing Spider-man at 281,000, lower end Daredevil, the turd of the line at the time, banished to bi-monthly at 125,000)

Marvel just chugged on with it and as they got better writers and artists and things settled...

Well you know the rest. 

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On 11/16/2023 at 2:49 PM, sfcityduck said:

That was no mischaracterization. Look up thread. You post too much for me to waste my time looking. Just look for the quotes where you relayed the supposed history of ESG, discussed Blackrock, 

Putting in an effort to mischaracterize people's quotes while not putting in the same effort to support those same mischaracterizations doesn't make for a very productive discussion and I'll admit I've been guilty of it many times on here but I try not to do it anymore.

I'm actually not clear on what YOU'RE trying to say above because you tend to conflate everything into one breath.

I don't remember saying anything about the "history of ESG" but I did post an article about the timeline of ESG and am well aware it's been around for a long time (I think the article said over 20 years) and in varying degrees even longer, before the term ESG became a thing. 

These are the two closest quotes I can find.

Does this one say Blackrock controls the world? ???

On 11/14/2023 at 12:03 PM, VintageComics said:

Shad, you CONSTANTLY bring up PARTIAL FACTS to suit your arguments. Do you not ever get tired of being wrong?

Blackrock is one of the most powerful economic entities in the world, but look at their stock chart and tell me how it coincides to everything I've said, including the dates of the ESG movement that they championed.

Does this one say that Blackrock controls most of the world?

On 11/13/2023 at 10:37 PM, VintageComics said:

I read a great article last year how Wall Street was pushing FOR ESG investing with Larry Fink from Blackrock championing it (they manage $10 Trillion in assets and basically own most of the world) but that Wall Street has started pushing back because the investing strategy has been backfiring. 

Blackrock "controls the world" the way the US "controls" the world. By imposing it's values on the rest of the world through economic might.

 I don't know if there is an industry Blackrock doesn't have an influence in. Ditto for Vanguard, State Street. These are the 3 largest equity firms in the world (or close to it)

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BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!  :D

Let's talk about "ESG'S PEAK" 

Remember, all I did was offer charts and data and YOU attributed everything to ME, and attacked ME the messenger rather than debate THE MESSAGE.

So let me give you another messenger - I don't know if this writer from FORTUNE was copying my conclusions from this chat forum but since namisgr feels my clock is right at least twice a day, I suppose it IS possible. 

Either way, even economists in major financial institutions agree that ESG has peaked and there is a "return to normal" (note, it's NOT politics to mention the US election in passing as related to investment)

Maybe our clocks are BOTH broken in the same spot? :whistle:

Enjoy. I have to admit, I really love a good, honest discussion. 

 

BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street turned against environmental and social proposals this year, a clear sign of backlash

   More detail out this morning on the corporate proxy season, courtesy of our friends at Diligent. The most surprising finding is how thoroughly the “Big 3” investors—BlackRock, Vanguard and State Street—turned against environmental and social shareholder proposals in the past year. In the U.S., BlackRock’s support for E&S proposals dropped from 41.3% in the 2020-21 season, to 23.7% in 2021-22, to a mere 8.7% in 2022-23. Vanguard’s drop was equally precipitous, from 29.6% to 12% to a tiny 3% in the past year. And State Street went from 43.7% to 28.6% to 21.2%. Clear signs of the backlash.

So much for E&S. On the G front, there is a somewhat different story: all three firms stayed strong in their support for “say on pay” advisory votes, with votes remaining over 90%. Diligent’s Josh Black, who published the report, writes that after a period of “upheaval” including “the rise of ESG funds, a pandemic, polarization surrounding the 2020 U.S. election, and social movements centered on diversity, equity and inclusion” the “relationship between companies and their shareholders has returned to normal.” You can read the full report here.

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WOR Radio used to have this "What's Your Problem" show host, Doctor Bernard Meltzer. You could call him with any problem - anything - and he would point you to a solution. Marriage counseling. Court cases. Police pending trials. Dating. The guy just had the gift of putting people at ease while he helped solve their excessive or everyday problems. I missed that show from when I was a kid.

Then along came The Marvels thread. Welcome back, Doctor Meltzer!

:hi:

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Blackrock "controls the world" the way the US "controls" the world. By imposing it's values on the rest of the world through economic might.

 I don't know if there is an industry Blackrock doesn't have an influence in. Ditto for Vanguard, State Street. These are the 3 largest equity firms in the world (or close to it)

Just because I'm REALLY enjoying this, can I just share one last thing with @sfcityduck in case he missed it?

It's really important because it directly relates to Blackrock, "controlling the world", economic might and influence.

They are QUITE LITERALLY the most powerful economic force in the world after only the US and China. Think about that. 

US GDP $25Trillion

China GDP $17Trillion

Blackrock manages $9Trillion in assets.

It's a quote DIRECTLY FROM LARRY FINK THE CEO OF BLACKROCK.

BlackRock CEO: “At BlackRock we are forcing behaviors… you have to force behaviors.”

In the same sentence he says "If you don't achieve these levels of impact, your compensation can be impacted."

"If you don't force behaviors regarding gender, or race, or just any way you want to say the composition of your team you're going to be impacted."

Now, I don't know about you but I am all about NOT forcing behavior. I'm about creating behavior organically, through education, discussion, interaction, entanglement which is how I did it with my kids.

 

"Forcing behavior" is a failed concept that has NEVER been successful. It's already been done in Marxism, Maoism, Communism, Socialism and it has failed every time. It's currently failing in Canada.

Can anyone name on institution, era, period or society where FORCING BEHAVIOR made society better? I can't think of a single one. 

How does this relate to the MCU?

The ideology - not the politics but the actual ideology, the philosophy is used as an extension by everyone involved with ESG investing including Disney, and it's flawed because it opposes how HUMAN NATURE WORKS.

You can't change nature from the top down. It can only be done organically, through the ground up. I think the term is EVOLUTION. 

 

 

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