Laziness, Re-cycling and swiping in the GA. 9 9

[Cobbledclam]

Does anyone remember the pulp with the cover swipe from Justice League 22?

Jimmy has been showcased on another thread but…

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[Joshua33]

On 1/17/2022 at 12:30 PM, gadzukes said:

How about this?  Did Schomburg swipe from this Pulp?

You also have this which was earlier than both. 

[Joshua33]

As a Lou Fine lover, this one hurt...

[Joshua33]

Coincidence?

[catman76]

A Lou Fine swipe from a canadian Wow Comics...

[catman76]

Bob Kane was the king of swiping. Literally everything he did was swiped from other comics, big little books or pulps...

[catman76]

[catman76]

Joe Simon swiped this Alex Raymond pose at least twice. The panel is from Daring Mystery #2...

[catman76]

More Alex Raymond swiping by Joe Simon. Silver streak #2 and a panel from Blue Bolt #1..

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[Bookery]

On 1/17/2022 at 3:30 PM, gadzukes said:

How about this?  Did Schomburg swipe from this Pulp?

It's a little hard to say, though it's pretty close.  I think we have to differentiate between the true no-doubt swipes such as provided by Catman76, and those that are more conceptual swipes.  Some themes were simply very popular in the pulps / comics.  Bound women being carried off is a pretty common theme.  There are a number of pulp covers with women in glass tubes (though I think the example given is probably a true swipe of that specific cover).  I thought I was pretty familiar with many of the pulp-to-comic swipes, but hadn't even thought about all of the swipes from interior art and newspaper comics.  Great thread!

[Robot Man]

On 1/17/2022 at 6:30 PM, Cobbledclam said:

A nice detail from the Raymond ripped by Joe/Jack and full rip from them by on the pirate prince. I had a few others concerning this image but my beer goggles are fuzzy at this point in time. 

That was the one I was thinking about. What is it from? 

[Cobbledclam]

On 1/18/2022 at 9:05 AM, Robot Man said:

That was the one I was thinking about. What is it from? 

 

[Robot Man]

On 1/18/2022 at 9:09 AM, Cobbledclam said:

 

Thanks. Yep that is the one. 

[gadzukes]

On 1/18/2022 at 11:44 AM, Bookery said:

It's a little hard to say, though it's pretty close.  I think we have to differentiate between the true no-doubt swipes such as provided by Catman76, and those that are more conceptual swipes.  Some themes were simply very popular in the pulps / comics.  Bound women being carried off is a pretty common theme.  There are a number of pulp covers with women in glass tubes (though I think the example given is probably a true swipe of that specific cover).  I thought I was pretty familiar with many of the pulp-to-comic swipes, but hadn't even thought about all of the swipes from interior art and newspaper comics.  Great thread!

It's not a "traced" swipe, but the pose is SO close.... and the way the woman's arms are bound behind her back and at her ankles.

I think Schomburg was a good enough artist that he didn't have to do a Traceswipe (like Bob Kane did).  He just looked at the art and did his close rendition of it.

[Cobbledclam]

When you go round in circles almost swipe

 

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[Bookery]

On 1/18/2022 at 12:41 PM, gadzukes said:

It's not a "traced" swipe, but the pose is SO close.... and the way the woman's arms are bound behind her back and at her ankles.

I think Schomburg was a good enough artist that he didn't have to do a Traceswipe (like Bob Kane did).  He just looked at the art and did his close rendition of it.

It is very close (and even the dress is still red)... so I do wobble back and forth on this one.  I guess I would have to see a wide selection of bound carried women images to determine if the pose is direct, or simply standard for the theme (guessing part of this last sentence is going to haunt me in some out-of-context way down the road!).  Swiping a pose is one thing, but I like your term "traceswipe" for some that go far beyond borrowing, homage, or even "inspired by" ... the Kane trace of Lou Fine's gorilla is pretty mind-boggling.

[gadzukes]

On 1/18/2022 at 1:05 PM, Bookery said:

It is very close (and even the dress is still red)... so I do wobble back and forth on this one.  I guess I would have to see a wide selection of bound carried women images to determine if the pose is direct, or simply standard for the theme (guessing part of this last sentence is going to haunt me in some out-of-context way down the road!).  Swiping a pose is one thing, but I like your term "traceswipe" for some that go far beyond borrowing, homage, or even "inspired by" ... the Kane trace of Lou Fine's gorilla is pretty mind-boggling.

OK.... I've got free time today 

Let's compare. 

2nd photo I stacked the girls on top of each other (there's a joke there somewhere)

3rd photo is just for fun.

Too bad I don't have a color printer.

[adamstrange]

On 1/16/2022 at 4:54 PM, catman76 said:

There is so much swiping from everywhere in 40s comic books. Especially swiping Alex Raymond strips like Flash Gordon and Jungle Jim. Sheldon Moldoff's first few years of work is 80 percent Alex Raymond swipes. Bob Kane was probably the king of it, he swiped from everywhere possible. Swiping art and stories from pulps was super common. I posted tons of examples on a similar thread on here years ago

Just copying other comics or pulps was a super common thing, these things were hacked out fast, it wasn't art it, comic books were the lowest of low it was disposable junk and no one cared they just wanted a paycheck and speed was the thing so it didn't matter. The more somoene could swipe from somewhere else the faster they could crank this stuff out.

My guess is that the majority of panels of Flash Gordon by Raymond, Tarzan by Foster, Prince Valiant by Foster, Wash Tubbs & Cap Easy by Crane, and Terry & the Pirates by Caniff were swiped for covers and stories.  It would take a long time to find and document all instances.