JonComic Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 MAY1979 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namisgr Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 I know what I'd be buying, were I still accumulating for the collection. JonComic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicFill Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 I respect the innovator. CBCS is just a copycat. I have 400+ graded books and they are all CGC. I can barely handle an old label and a new label being displayed next to each other, let alone a different company. I don't buy to sell, but if I did I'd only deal in CGC. I think there are lots of buyers who don't even look at CBCS. Lazyboy, JonComic and Out On Bail 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 What's the question? revat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theCapraAegagrus Posted March 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/13/2022 at 8:08 AM, ComicFill said: ...I think there are lots of buyers who don't even look at CBCS. Which is dumb. thehumantorch, Out On Bail, Chicago Boy and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Boy Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 CBCS is just as reputable, It would be nice for the hobby if you saw more of those for sale. Once Beckett bought them I expected more in terms of a broad name Kerdese 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicFill Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 2:36 AM, theCapraAegagrus said: I happen to think that paying more for the same thing is dumb. I happen to prefer Dr Pepper. You can tell me Mr Pibb is just as good all you want, but he didn't even go to medical school. JJ-4, theCapraAegagrus and MAY1979 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY1979 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) If one is purchasing a book in person there are good bargains to be had with CBCS slabs. Still one of the original intents of slabbing was to bring confidence to internet sales, as most know you can only tell so much from a scan compared to holding the graded book slab in hand. I've seen many CGC 9.8 slabs which the books inside are at best 9.6 on a good day, but for me personally I see that even more with CBCS 9.8's. The experiences of others may differ but I know what mine personally has been and I'm consistently more disappointed with CBCS. For those who seek to resell books in short or mid-term it's understandable to want CGC, it's also understandable with current TAT's that to get a good deal on CBCS then crack it and submit to CGC currently is not optimal. Consumer or buyers whether Collector's or Seller's benefit from strong competition in the grading arena. We should want both company's to have equal perception in the market place. However perceptions formed for these type things once they take hold are difficult to change. In some cases they may never be possible to do so. In my opinion out of the gate CBCS needed to be so much stricter than CGC that to have their label would be a badge of honor and they were not. The perception of CBCS being the more lenient graders has permeated the hobby. CBCS to me it appears lost the verdict of hobby opinion years back. Bottom line, buy the book not the slab label. Still if that can't be done in person CGC is currently the safest way to keep one's "investment" stable. Not saying that is good or bad, it just is the situation in the hobby. As for reputable, we're talking many shades of gray for both firms. Appears there are no boy-scouts in comic book (nor trading card) grading Edited March 14, 2022 by MAR1979 KCOComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post William-James88 Posted March 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/13/2022 at 12:43 AM, JonComic said: At that price difference, it's worth buying a CBCS version and then sending it to CGC JonComic, MAY1979, djzombi and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hanes Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) you can't draw an effective conclusion from one data point (one issue), you need lots of data points to make a strong correlation..basic statistics Edited March 14, 2022 by Ed Hanes JJ-4 and MAY1979 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator CGC Mike Posted March 14, 2022 Administrator Share Posted March 14, 2022 Posting images of competitors books is not allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Two can play that game, looks like whoever had a CBCS ASM 361 to sell last November was better off than whoever had a CGC graded one. And they paid less for grading and it took a shorter time for them to get it back. NUFF SAID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 I have slabs from CGC, CBCS and even a few by PGX. If I see a book I want graded by CBCS that looks to be fairly graded and is selling at a discount to CGC I will buy it. If I see a book I want graded by PGX and it looks to be fairly graded and it's significantly discounted from GPA I will buy it. JJ-4, Azkaban and KCOComics 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dick Pontoon Posted March 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/13/2022 at 8:08 AM, ComicFill said: I respect the innovator. CBCS is just a copycat. I have 400+ graded books and they are all CGC. I can barely handle an old label and a new label being displayed next to each other, let alone a different company. I don't buy to sell, but if I did I'd only deal in CGC. I think there are lots of buyers who don't even look at CBCS. Since the fellow who was the President and Primary Grader at CGC, and who played a huge role in the institutionalization of modern day grading standards, is the Founder, President and Primary Grader at the other grading company, I find this argument lacking in merit. Chief1332, Artifiction, Larryw7 and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicFill Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) On 3/15/2022 at 2:23 AM, Pontoon said: Since the fellow who was the President and Primary Grader at CGC, and who played a huge role in the institutionalization of modern day grading standards, is the Founder, President and Primary Grader at the other grading company, I find this argument lacking in merit. How so? He was a hired employee. He didn't come up with the idea. He took someone else's idea and copied it. You can find the argument lacking merit all you want, doesn't change that CBCS is simply a copycat of CGC. They even basically copied how the labels and case look. Is there anywhere that CBCS innovated? Edited March 15, 2022 by ComicFill Larryw7, Sefageus Magnipab and Beige 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Pontoon Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Okay, Chief! Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/15/2022 at 5:23 AM, Pontoon said: Since the fellow who was the President and Primary Grader at CGC, and who played a huge role in the institutionalization of modern day grading standards, is the Founder, President and Primary Grader at the other grading company, I find this argument lacking in merit. Sure, but that was before he went rogue and switched to a diet of kittens. Magneto was once a good guy too. theCapraAegagrus, Dick Pontoon and jaybuck43 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/15/2022 at 6:28 AM, ComicFill said: How so? He was a hired employee. He didn't come up with the idea. He took someone else's idea and copied it. You can find the argument lacking merit all you want, doesn't change that CBCS is simply a copycat of CGC. They even basically copied how the labels and case look. Is there anywhere that CBCS innovated? They've got a really cool lounge and coffe set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/15/2022 at 9:28 AM, ComicFill said: How so? He was a hired employee. He didn't come up with the idea. He took someone else's idea and copied it. You can find the argument lacking merit all you want, doesn't change that CBCS is simply a copycat of CGC. They even basically copied how the labels and case look. Is there anywhere that CBCS innovated? I'm guessing that you were never a good Monopoly player... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaard Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Ford was the original. Every other car is just a copy cat. JJ-4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...