ChillMan Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 It's not about hierarchy. It's not because Superman's first solo title in 8.0 is more desirable than Green Lantern's 1st appearance Church copy. It's not because Mantle is better than Ruth. It's because all the very top items are skyrocketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry JSA Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) On 4/16/2022 at 7:13 PM, ChillMan said: The clear single-best-existing Church copies of AA-16, Flash-1, and MF-73 should be worth $10M+. I’ve heard two things regarding the Church/MH copy of AA #16. It’s now owned by Steve Borock. Rose Verzyl still has possession of it. Can anyone confirm either one? Edited April 16, 2022 by Terry JSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillMan Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 I wonder if the guy who bought this is Middle Eastern royalty. I heard that a guy like that was trying to build his collection. If so...hey, message me. Why not be my friend and give me $10M....?? To get my comic I started with $19k and made 2 good moves. I'm not rich at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillMan Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 On 4/16/2022 at 6:24 PM, Terry JSA said: I’ve heard two things regarding the Church/MH copy of AA #16. It’s now owned by Steve Borock. Rose Verzyl still has possession of it. Can anyone confirm either one? I haven't heard any news or rumors on it for 15 years. Which makes it more legendary. Last I heard 15 years ago was that Mr. Verzyl turned down a million dollar offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillMan Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 The guy who bought this Superman in 8.0 for $5.3M should have gave the owner of the Church 9.4 AA-16 a phone call or email instead. Am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crowzilla Posted April 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/16/2022 at 7:40 PM, ChillMan said: The guy who bought this Superman in 8.0 for $5.3M should have gave the owner of the Church 9.4 AA-16 a phone call or email instead. Am I wrong? Yes. the Church Superman #1 is a bigger/better book than the Church AA16 tth2, MrBedrock, chrisco37 and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gotham Kid Posted April 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 12:13 AM, ChillMan said: The clear single-best-existing Church copies of AA-16, Flash-1, and MF-73 should be worth $10M+. I think there is an open offer on the highest graded copy of MF73 for 20Mil, or was it 25Mil can't recall. Tim Frommelt is the name... tth2, lou_fine, Terry JSA and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 (edited) On 4/17/2022 at 12:28 AM, ChillMan said: I wonder if the guy who bought this is Middle Eastern royalty. I heard that a guy like that was trying to build his collection. Chinese fella He is also looking to buy an island for his retreat. Australia I heard it was. Edited April 17, 2022 by Gotham Kid ChillMan and tth2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 7:40 AM, ChillMan said: Am I wrong? Pretty much always. It's uncanny. MrBedrock, buttock, batman_fan and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tth2 Posted April 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 12:55 PM, Gotham Kid said: Chinese fella batman_fan, Larryw7, Gotham Kid and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry JSA Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 12:51 AM, Gotham Kid said: I think there is an open offer on the highest graded copy of MF73 for 20Mil, or was it 25Mil can't recall. Tim Frommelt is the name... Can’t forget the legendary Tim Frommelt. He ran into like… what? $1 trillion dollars and saw comics as an investment. I wonder why he didn’t post the proof. He said he’d do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattTheDuck Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/16/2022 at 10:44 PM, Terry JSA said: Can’t forget the legendary Tim Frommelt. He ran into like… what? $1 trillion dollars and saw comics as an investment. I wonder why he didn’t post the proof. He said he’d do it. I'm sorry it turned out like this, but someone had to lose. It's the nature of the business. It's the smuggler's blues. jimjum12 and Terry JSA 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quicksilver Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 (edited) On 4/14/2022 at 5:48 PM, VintageComics said: Thank you! I brokered the deal. I worked on it for some time before we could finalize it. I have to say, it's pretty surreal to turn a hobby I always loved, and used to get bullied and beat up for in grade school and middle school and turn it into something like this. Back in the 70s and 80s it wasn't cool to be a comic geek. It was considered fringe. We were thought of as losers and nerds and I even got beat up for it at times as a kid. My parents never understood it as they were always throwing my comic books out. I never backed down and always stood my ground, though and it's a little surreal now. My dad passed away in 2004 and before he passed he even apologized for taking such a negative view on my comic books. I suppose if he could see my life now he'd be impressed. Funny the things we carry with us. I do appreciate it very much. That’s really interesting to hear Roy. My early experiences of comics are certainly very similar to yours, except that in my circles comics were hugely popular at school, and trades of single books, even sales of whole collections became became fairly common by the mid seventies. However, my father, like yours, held no truck with all this as a business, and he was already too far gone to recognise any kind of satisfaction or success that I eventually had. And many congratulations on being a part of such a massive transaction Roy… Edited April 17, 2022 by quicksilver jimjum12 and szucchini 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 1:44 AM, Terry JSA said: Can’t forget the legendary Tim Frommelt. He ran into like… what? $1 trillion dollars and saw comics as an investment. I wonder why he didn’t post the proof. He said he’d do it. His ex-wife came and got it all. GOD BLESS.... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) tth2, Terry JSA, Flex Mentallo and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillMan Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 (edited) On 4/16/2022 at 11:55 PM, Gotham Kid said: NM Edited April 17, 2022 by ChillMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post N e r V Posted April 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/16/2022 at 9:55 PM, Gotham Kid said: Chinese fella He is also looking to buy an island for his retreat. Australia I heard it was. Well he did get his island and as soon as he gets the radio working to get rescued off it he’ll be back and ready to buy some books… Gotham Kid, jimjum12, Microchip and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 (edited) On 4/14/2022 at 7:55 AM, sfcityduck said: The laudable thing about DA is that he has on more than one occassion chosen to keep the better book and get rid of the pedigree...... But, I think that it shows that DA is a true high grade collector - buying the books, definitely not the label or the pedigree, because he appears to trust his own eye and judgment. On 4/14/2022 at 8:00 AM, Aman619 said: Agreed. Still it would be a disappointment for DA if the Church collection rep continues to grow to a point where it’s more important than the grade. The pedigree multiplier effect versus no name books waxes and wanes. But seems like the Church name attached to a copy is very strong of late. … for this world class level of book anyway. From my point of view, it's all a really simple equation here and doesn't require a lot of thought: DA's old school grading > Church pedigree >> CGC's grading Hence: DA's old school grading >>> CGC's grading!!! Edited April 17, 2022 by lou_fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Except perhaps in the case when comparing an 8.5 Church to a 9.0 no name copy… only one grade apart. . We are seeing a great resurgence in pedigree importance out there, even more so than in the old days before CGC grades supplanted them. Especially Church mega keys like this Of course, nobody bats !000… DA may have to live with only 3 of the most valuable copies of his 4 big DC keys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_react Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 12:33 AM, Crowzilla said: Yes. the Church Superman #1 is a bigger/better book than the Church AA16 Not even the same category. Cool book, but... It's not in the same category as books that feature characters that people still care about Larryw7 and greggy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 9:53 AM, lou_fine said: From my point of view, it's all a really simple equation here and doesn't require a lot of thought: DA's old school grading > Church pedigree >> CGC's grading Hence: DA's old school grading >>> CGC's grading!!! CGC can not grade better than us old school people. Daves books have been seen by some top Dealers and they are what you heard they are. I will say after these gift graded CGC books lately His are 9.9 Randall Dowling and lou_fine 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
