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[Motor City Rob]

On 8/9/2022 at 5:35 PM, DrunkWooky said:

Yes, but that doesn't mean it gets a restored or qualified label. Facsimile covers from Marvel an DC have always received Universal labels.

[ExNihilo]

On 8/9/2022 at 2:41 PM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

Even if CGC is okay with not dinging these because the cover artist had something to do with the creation of the acetate addition, if Marvel did not authorize this, as Bleeding Cool is reporting, then there's no good reason for CGC to denote that it's a specific edition ('"In God We Trust" Acetate Edition') rather than simply indicating "Acetate cover added after production," since this is not an official edition approved by the publisher.

To be fair, a lot of the Bleeding cool article basically seems to be a rehash of what's been stated in this thread.  It even references this thread as a source.  That's not to say Bleeding Cool didn't reach out independently to confirm that Marvel didn't authorize it, but just saying, some of that stuff is from here so it shouldn't be used as a source.

[Jacob Sean]

Can CGC just say that this was an oversite and an error on their part, make a statement that any future submissions of this book will be properly assigned the Green Label, ask Black Flag to return any slabs that have not been sold so that they can be properly graded and labeled?  I get that some of the slabbed books are gone, and that's ok, but this seems the best course of action to right the ship

 

[valiantman]

On 8/9/2022 at 4:41 PM, Troy Division said:

CBCS throwing shade...

CGC should just respond to CBCS with "CGC considers books with extensive restoration worthy of a PURPLE label and has not discontinued the PURPLE label to pretend that everything is BLUE, unlike some other companies."

Edited August 9, 2022 by valiantman

[Metroplex Comics]

On 8/9/2022 at 4:43 PM, ExNihilo said:

To be fair, a lot of the Bleeding cool article basically seems to be a rehash of what's been stated in this thread.  It even references this thread as a source.  That's not to say Bleeding Cool didn't reach out independently to confirm that Marvel didn't authorize it, but just saying, some of that stuff is from here so it shouldn't be used as a source.

FB post by Rich.

[Red84]

On 8/9/2022 at 4:23 PM, Atomic Ponkie said:

Do you have pictures of those collages? Im curious how it looks!

 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Red84

[ExNihilo]

We're 40+ pages into this debacle and I still don't understand how anyone could decide to spend $85/$100 for the Black Flag variant, let alone $250 on eBay when they could use that towards an actual 1st print instead.  I mean, I can kind of understand it now because it's a novelty and there's an actual dramatic nebulous story behind the books.  But heading into C2E2 day one when no one was the wiser and just viewed it as another variant...I NEVER would spend money on a glorified reprint when I could better put that money to use buying a 1st print.  The variant market is truly atbay-itshay crazy. 

[JasonBogdanyi]

And now the creator of Stray Dogs has voiced her opinions . 
 

@CGC Mike

[ExNihilo]

On 8/9/2022 at 2:45 PM, valiantman said:

CGC should just respond to CBCS with "CGC considers books with extensive restoration worthy of a PURPLE label and has not discontinued the PURPLE label to pretend that everything is BLUE, unlike some other companies."

if not for their stance on that and the dissolution of red label in favor of making everything yellow label, i might have switched over.  As it is, CGC is still the only company with a yellow label that I "trust".

Edited August 9, 2022 by ExNihilo
grammar

[valiantman]

On 8/9/2022 at 4:48 PM, ExNihilo said:

The variant market is truly atbay-itshay crazy. 

Sady, this example of the same situation from the sportscard market is NOT an exaggeration.

"I don't understand why someone would pay $20,000 for a purple hologram prism die-cut non-rookie card limited to 199 when they could pay $10,000 for an orange hologram prism die-cut non-rookie card limited to 299. There are only 100 more copies of the orange in the world and it costs half as much as the purple card with 199 out there."

Edited August 9, 2022 by valiantman

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 8/9/2022 at 4:50 PM, ExNihilo said:

if not for there stance on that and the dissolution of red label in favor of making everything yellow label, i might have switched over.  As it is, CGC is still the only company with a yellow label that I "intrust".

FTFY. 

[crnbrd]

This goes back a few years....

Remeember when an attempt was made to slab intentionally beat up copies of the reprinted Walking Dead #1 but CGC said no. 

If a variant shop did this today I guess it would work?

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

On 8/9/2022 at 5:43 PM, ExNihilo said:

To be fair, a lot of the Bleeding cool article basically seems to be a rehash of what's been stated in this thread.  It even references this thread as a source.  That's not to say Bleeding Cool didn't reach out independently to confirm that Marvel didn't authorize it, but just saying, some of that stuff is from here so it shouldn't be used as a source.

True, but they did note "Today, Bleeding Cool has been able to confirm that Marvel Comics did not approve Black Flag's addition of an acetate cover as a further variant, and it is also not something they would permit."

[FFB]

On 8/9/2022 at 2:43 PM, ExNihilo said:

To be fair, a lot of the Bleeding cool article basically seems to be a rehash of what's been stated in this thread.  It even references this thread as a source.  That's not to say Bleeding Cool didn't reach out independently to confirm that Marvel didn't authorize it, but just saying, some of that stuff is from here so it shouldn't be used as a source.

The author only referenced this thread to make the point that CGC's forum members (us) didn't buy their explanation.  The statement about Marvel not authorizing the acetate project and the statement that it isn't something they would approve seems to have come directly from the author's contact with Marvel.  Bleeding Cool definitely has deep contacts at Marvel and my suspicion is that the SVP mentioned in the very next sentence (David Gabriel) is the author's source.  Judging from his title, SVP Print, Sales and Marketing, that's who I would reach out to if I were Bleeding Cool.  

[D84]

On 8/9/2022 at 4:17 PM, Metroplex Comics said:

CGC... Compromised Grading Company?

CGC: Creating Gullible Collecters

On 8/9/2022 at 4:41 PM, Troy Division said:

CGC should have learned their lesson after getting paid to 'grade' invisible comics.
But...greed got the best of them...

CBCS throwing shade...

Collectors should have learned and walked away then.

[D84]

On 8/9/2022 at 5:00 PM, FFB said:

The author only referenced this thread to make the point that CGC's forum members (us) didn't buy their explanation.  The statement about Marvel not authorizing the acetate project and the statement that it isn't something they would approve seems to have come directly from the author's contact with Marvel.  Bleeding Cool definitely has deep contacts at Marvel and my suspicion is that the SVP mentioned in the very next sentence (David Gabriel) is the author's source.  Judging from his title, SVP Print, Sales and Marketing, that's who I would reach out to if I were Bleeding Cool.  

Maybe Marvel will sue Black Flag and CGC?

[Atomic Ponkie]

On 8/9/2022 at 4:47 PM, Red84 said:

 

Does look pretty cool. Thanks for sharing!

[deadleg]

I've seen some dumpster fires before, but man this is like a dumpster wild fire that's engulfed all the dumpsters in the country. 

[Ryan.]

The official statements by CGC are really goofy.

How about: "We fugged up but we will fix it. Fin."

[october]

On 8/9/2022 at 4:53 PM, valiantman said:

Sady, this example of the same situation from the sportscard market is NOT an exaggeration.

"I don't understand why someone would pay $20,000 for a purple hologram prism die-cut non-rookie card limited to 199 when they could pay $10,000 for an orange hologram prism die-cut non-rookie card limited to 299. There are only 100 more copies of the orange in the world and it costs half as much as the purple card with 199 out there."

I was just going to post something similar. Comic variants are a mere doodoo filled trashcan fire next to the dumpster sized inferno that is the ultramodern card parallel market. 

It's almost quaint in comparison.