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C2E2 Variant Drama
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shadroch

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For such a talentless hack, Mr Leifield somehow has managed to do pretty well for himself. I'm not a fan of his art, but admire his ability to cash large checks.  I'm surprised his work is still in demand, but it is and he is still getting paid long after many of his contemporaries have moved on. 

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On 8/15/2022 at 10:10 AM, billsid said:

not legs, feet can't draw feet to save his life.

To be fair, he can't really draw legs all that good either. Or arms. Or hands. Or heads with faces. Or chests. Or backgrounds. Or foregrounds. etc etc etc and so on and so forth.

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On 8/15/2022 at 12:57 AM, TTony said:

In case you made it this far and think this is over...  you may want to get some popcorn. :popcorn:  

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What a profoundly ignorant statement of certainty.
Or are we to believe that "CGC is at war with acetate. CGC has always been at war with acetate"?

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On 8/15/2022 at 12:57 AM, TTony said:

In case you made it this far and think this is over...  you may want to get some popcorn. :popcorn:  

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Thanks for sharing. I'm glad he has taken this stance re: Black Flag. However, his defense of CGC in this case is ill informed. At first, yes, it did appear that there was a simple mistake by CGC, but the further this thread has gone on, it has exposed potential shady practices going on. Also, even if this was a "deception," CGC just continued to dig itself deeper into a hole by not admitting it was deceived or wrong. 

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On 8/14/2022 at 9:57 PM, TTony said:

In case you made it this far and think this is over...  you may want to get some popcorn. :popcorn:  

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I'm 100% sure Rob made that post without reading the 164 pages on this forum post.

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On 8/15/2022 at 9:45 AM, Lord Gemini said:

To borrow/modify a Mitch Hedberg quote: "I used to hate Rob Liefeld. I still do, but I used to, too."

Not that you care or should care, but you have moved up a few notches in my book with that quote. 

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On 8/14/2022 at 9:57 PM, TTony said:

In case you made it this far and think this is over...  you may want to get some popcorn. :popcorn:  

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Liefeld trying to secure the CGC Signature Series Private Signing Bag :flipbait:

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On 8/15/2022 at 6:49 AM, DR.X said:

+1 I don't like his work at all. Did he ever learn how to draw legs?

One Rob Liefeld post and everyone stops ragging on Clayton Crain's art.

Bunch of folks: "Clayton Crain's artwork is horrible."

Rob Liefeld: "Here, hold my beer case of Red Bull."

 

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On 8/14/2022 at 9:40 PM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

I would imagine that if that happened we would see some in the aftermarket.  

I have yet to see one of those being sold.

Anyone have a pictures/ screenshots of them being sold ?

( besides that initial picture of the couple copies sitting on those comic boxes. )

The chances of these all being sold to other dealers and said dealers not saying anything about it, considering how people love to talk s$$t about the competition, is zero. 

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I'm a long time fan of Rob but I disagree with him on CGC being hoodwinked.  

I do agree with him passing on doing ones of his own.

I don't think we'll see any other artists get involved in something like this.  

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On 8/15/2022 at 10:16 AM, shadroch said:

For such a talentless hack, Mr Leifield somehow has managed to do pretty well for himself. I'm not a fan of his art, but admire his ability to cash large checks.  I'm surprised his work is still in demand, but it is and he is still getting paid long after many of his contemporaries have moved on. 

He is actually pretty entertaining on his Whatnot shows.  He is totally scattered, but he will be like that for about 3 hours.  He keeps finding some preliminary drawing he did for a book, he signs it, the people ask if he could put his chisel signature on it too and ho obliges.  Then he sells the scrap of paper for a few hundred.

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The drama from this is not easing up at all. Between YouTubers/Social Media people fighting to now even guys like Liefeld putting in their thoughts. I would have thought by now this would somewhat have blown over, but it probably will not.

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On 8/15/2022 at 8:45 AM, billsid said:

Just because this needs to be seen again.

Well... some people aren't surprised at all. And I'm not trying to be flippant here, just realistic...

CGC is just like anything in our society today that services the public. And that is, that 'servicing the public' is a front for making money. That may seem obvious, but the amount of people, myself included, who sometimes think, "I thought CGC was there to protect us from this!", are missing the point...

They are owned by a company and that company's overall purpose is to make more money. And more money and more money.

Long ago McDonald's figured out ways to cut corners year after year and to save money to improve their profits. Long ago News Channels learned how to lead with what bleeds and give two chits about human interest stories - THAT was what brought in viewers and thus advertising. Long ago people figured out how to sucker people and draw the grift out for as much as they could. Hookers learned to wear costume jewelry instead of the real thing. 

None of that is any different here.

And THIS hobby especially DESERVES it.

We've fallen for trick after trick after trick for almost the length of the hobby... 'This is the greatest story ever told!", "This is a guaranteed collectors item!" "It must be great it has a foil cover!" "This is the next big thing!" "This is the NEW #1!" "OMG! Wolverine's Dead!" "Captain America is a communist!" Blah blah blah.

Keep chasing that dangling carrot, and it's hard to blame the guy who strings it up. 

 

And this is no different. 

Somebody at CGC must've figured a formula that told them the answer:

# of Golden Age collector's x the average age of death divided by # of modern submissions x the depths they'll go to turn a profit.

It's pretty easy to figure out who won.

 

It's interesting to listen to people say, "I'll never submit another book to them again!"

Why? They're the same company you've BEEN using. You just saw something you hadn't previously realized. 

Will the market still react more positively toward their slabs grade? Depends on the book.

Are you happy with what they do for YOU? 

You've accepted those horrid Newton Rings vs a better slab at Brand X, will THIS situation really be the deal breaker?

 

I'm not taking their side. The discussion needed to happen. I just don't see them backing off. The attitude seems to be, "How dare you tell us how we can and can NOT make money." I mean really, it seems to be, "We're not even listening." CGC isn't done making money in creative and questionable ways and from the looks of TATs, people aren't done using the service. 

I guess it hurts for some of us to think, we're a very, very, very, very small voice in the world of CGC. Even with some of the heavy hitters we have here. They're not even listening to THEM.

For the vast majority of the hobby this won't even be a blip - even the young influencers condemning it online will be on to the next big thing tomorrow - GA and SA buyers will still be like, "I still overall trust it more", and the day will just go on. 

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On 8/15/2022 at 11:37 AM, captainzombie said:

The drama from this is not easing up at all. Between YouTubers/Social Media people fighting to now even guys like Liefeld putting in their thoughts. I would have thought by now this would somewhat have blown over, but it probably will not.

It shouldn't blow over if anything I think we as a community haven't screamed enough about CGC's involvement in this, they've really gotten away with just a hand slap. 

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