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[justafan]

Well, with respect to gifted or preferential grades I can think of one they compare perfectly with (PGX, and possibly others).  As for grading bootlegged comics as Universal I'm not sure if such a precedent has been set with any of the other existing grading companies.  Perhaps a boardie with more experience or better memory can chime in on which other grading company (past or present) has ever graded a bootlegged comic as Universal and not notated it on the label as Counterfeit or Bootleg.  If none exist then, yes, I suppose CGC is correct in that way alone, that "No other third-party grading service compares to CGC..." Though, that's not something I would advertise or consider a good quality of an "accurate and impartial grading" service.

[jsilverjanet]

says "bro" = do not want anything to do with company

says "we stand by our decision (of grading bootlegs and have 9.9/10 grades for sale)" = continue to post on their chatboards, continue to buy the product (but I won't submit any more books, maybe)

Edited August 15, 2022 by jsilverjanet

[jsilverjanet]

nothing personal, but this is just silly bros

[jsilverjanet]

not defending whatnot etc but when did we become "throw the baby.." oh wait, I forgot the chatboards have always been that way

my apologies

carry on

[MetalPSI]

On 8/15/2022 at 1:46 PM, jsilverjanet said:

says "bro" = do not want anything to do with company

says "we stand by our decision (of grading bootlegs and have 9.9/10 grades for sale)" = continue to post on their chatboards, continue to buy the product (but I won't submit any more books, maybe)

I have 75 books I've been holding a year, waiting for QC issues to sort themselves out, I have several books I've already sent to the states at my presser, and now this

For me to step back and wonder if I am going to have to pass having them graded is a big decision 

Having some *spoon* who has no idea how to run a platform tell his users tough kitty, yeah easy who not to do business with

Bro

Sell me some Spawns

[DrunkWooky]

On 8/15/2022 at 11:49 AM, jsilverjanet said:

not defending whatnot etc but when did we become "throw the baby.." oh wait, I forgot the chatboards have always been that way

my apologies

carry on

WhatNot is terrible for a fair amount of other reason besides the usage of "bro."

[jsilverjanet]

On 8/15/2022 at 12:54 PM, The Meta said:

Sell me some Spawns

everything i have is on ebay - FYI my wife who's the CEO says bro

 

On 8/15/2022 at 12:59 PM, DrunkWooky said:

WhatNot is terrible for a fair amount of other reason besides the usage of "bro."

this 100%

[MetalPSI]

On 8/15/2022 at 2:01 PM, jsilverjanet said:

everything i have is on ebay - FYI my wife who's the CEO says bro

 

this 100%

Oh well, cant do business then 

[awakeintheashes]

On 8/15/2022 at 1:46 PM, jsilverjanet said:

says "bro" = do not want anything to do with company

says "we stand by our decision (of grading bootlegs and have 9.9/10 grades for sale)" = continue to post on their chatboards, continue to buy the product (but I won't submit any more books, maybe)

I've always been transparent and held tightly to my no "bro" policy. If/when CGC addresses its customers as "bro" is the day I sail off into the sunset. 

Edited August 15, 2022 by awakeintheashes
said is not sail

[awakeintheashes]

On 8/15/2022 at 1:59 PM, DrunkWooky said:

WhatNot is terrible for a fair amount of other reason besides the usage of "bro."

I agree, but it definitely compounds the person_who_is_obnoxiously_self-impressed interest they've earned since arriving on the scene. 

[justafan]

On 8/15/2022 at 6:25 AM, MGH said:

Out of all this can definitively see a market for  marvel and others  to  move from blank sketch variants to blank acetate cover variants going forward 

Get those 9.9 and 10.0  yellow slabs for remarks etc on acetate

 

This is kind of my fear on how they (CGC/Black Flag/Crain) will skirt by this whole thing in a matter of months and come out looking like innovators.  The pros for an acetate cover is that it is made from natural resources such as wood pulp, is biodegradable, and can be composted/incinerated with no harm to the environment.  Other pros may be that they are reactive to heat and high temperatures meaning they may behave like regular comic covers and can be humidified and pressed with a heat press.  The cons with an acetate cover is that the fibers wrinkle easily and may leave permanent creases/wrinkles that can't be pressed out (like color break creases on regular covers).  The fibers are also easily susceptible to abrasion due to surface wear, rubbing, and friction.  This could result in a dulling, scratched, or loss of art from the cover.  Hence, not necessarily a more protective cover for the underlying paper cover art but a fancier way to display that underlying paper cover art.

My original thought was that the acetate covers may become a more protective cover for the underlying comic or variant that could be exploited for removing the acetate cover and grading the underlying variant cover especially if the publishers decide to only use the original 2 staples when constructing it. The standard going forward for publishers could be to use it as an add-on variant like the blank sketch cover or in addition to it as a bit of creativity for sketch covers.  Imagine an acetate cover with some generic or suggetive art that can become something more interesting when the blank cover under it is used by an artist to sketch on it creating a unique and interesting scene when overlaying the acetate cover over the sketch.  Too many opportunities may exist for this to remain a controversy for long.  Of course, the market will ultimately decide.

[CJ Design]

[kav]

On 8/14/2022 at 11:46 PM, FFB said:

It was on page 8.  

 

no one has pointed this simple fact out to him on facebook?

[FFB]

On 8/15/2022 at 11:31 AM, kav said:

no one has pointed this simple fact out to him on facebook?

Not me, I quit Facebook years ago.  

[kirbykrackle]

On 8/15/2022 at 1:59 PM, DrunkWooky said:

WhatNot is terrible for a fair amount of other reason besides the usage of "bro."

Have we learned nothing from 'Hawkeye'?

 

[MrBedrock]

It is pretty clear what CGC is up to here. They used bad judgment by deciding to grade these bootlegs the way they did. But rather than admit they made a mistake they set the bar very high for any future submissions and they will probably reject all of them. Sort of a juvenile way of avoiding blame.

[kav]

I messaged Liefeld on facebook.  will keep updated.

[toro]

On 8/15/2022 at 12:40 PM, Jimmy Linguini said:

Did anyone see the response from Whatnot's comic division?
 

The CEO of Whatnot is still in school? Since Whatnot is valued at 3.7 Billion I think I would skip school.

[kav]

On 8/15/2022 at 12:43 PM, toro said:

The CEO of Whatnot is still in school? Since Whatnot is valued at 3.7 Billion I think I would skip school.

This is like that sarah conner chronicles stupid show where she sent John to high school even knowing terminators were stalkin his a**
"Gotta go to school!"
and of course the substitute teacher was a ******* terminator.

Edited August 15, 2022 by kav

[chrisco37]

On 8/15/2022 at 3:31 PM, kav said:

I messaged Liefeld on facebook.  will keep updated.

In addition to CGC "standing behind" these books, another statement Direct from CGC (if Rob asks):

transparency on how CGC arrived at our method of certifying Clayton Crain’s Ultimate Fallout comics with the attached acetate covers. For us, this was an unprecedented item to grade. After Mr. Crain spoke with us prior to C2E2, the rules we applied to his books:

• The additional cover had to be created by an established artist in the industry.
• The comic to which the cover was attached had to contain a cover by that same artist.
• A copy of the comic with the attached cover had to be submitted to us for inspection prior to certifying any copies.

Edited August 15, 2022 by chrisco37