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[Beyonder123]

I don't have much to say about this, but this is a very strange oddity. Someone on the forums a few years back had a couple Canadian price variant Mark Jewelers Daredevil issues, but I've never seen a pence copy before. Thoughts?

[ADAMANTIUM]

Interesting 

And interested 

@Get Marwood & I

On 11/20/2022 at 5:24 PM, Beyonder123 said:

I don't have much to say about this, but this is a very strange oddity. Someone on the forums a few years back had a couple Canadian price variant Mark Jewelers Daredevil issues, but I've never seen a pence copy before. Thoughts?

 

[Get Marwood & I]

On 11/20/2022 at 11:24 PM, Beyonder123 said:

Thoughts?

How cool is that!

Pence copies and MJIs. Two of my favourite things 

Inserts werent placed in pence copies by design of course, but things can happen in error at the factory, or later by post production manipulation. Can you show us a clearer shot of the bottom staple placement please Beyonder? A higher placement than on regular copies can be an indication that it is genuine and yours does indeed look higher if the staple is where I think it is: 

https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/215201-mark-jewelers-inserts/?do=findComment&comment=12264264

I'd post your copy in that MJI thread and get some more eyes on it.

Also, do you remember where you got it?

@trademarkcomics @Cpt Kirk @Stronguy

[Get Marwood & I]

While we wait, I gathered six random issues of Cap #171 from eBay - 3 pence, 3 cents. Here's what I found:

Maybe the pence copies had their covers attached using the same machine as the MJI copies, hence the greater possibility of a MJI going into a pence copy in error? Both are a subset of the main event, so that might make sense.

[Get Marwood & I]

OK, I'm mucking about now but here are the 4 versions of Cap #210:

The distance between the bottom of the top staple and the top of the bottom staple is more or less the same for the two 30c versions, but the pence and 35c junior subsets are, again, different with a noticeably lower placed staple.

I'll leave it alone now until @Beyonder123 returns 

[B2D327]

On 11/21/2022 at 5:37 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

While we wait, I gathered six random issues of Cap #171 from eBay - 3 pence, 3 cents. Here's what I found:

Maybe the pence copies had their covers attached using the same machine as the MJI copies, hence the greater possibility of a MJI going into a pence copy in error? Both are a subset of the main event, so that might make sense.

interesting 

[Get Marwood & I]

On 11/21/2022 at 12:44 PM, B2D327 said:

interesting 

Isn't it. I love anything like this, that touches on how things might have been done back in the day, and where that knowledge might lead us in respect of the order of production where different versions exist in the same run. I'm not an expert on the stapling process, and haven't even seen a video of it in action, but you sort of would think that the placement distance between staples might always be the same for a run of the same issue. These examples show otherwise, which makes you wonder whether some books were stapled on a different machine - one for the main US copies, and perhaps a separate one for the junior subset books within the run - the pence copies, MJIs and 30/35cvs. 

I'm hoping @Stronguy will chime in - I recall him speaking knowledgably about the comic collation process 

I'll look out for any videos on YouTube - something like this, maybe (see around the 2:20 mark):

All good fun.

 

[Beyonder123]

Here are photos of the spine, and the staples in the insert. It's hard to see the staple even up close, so my finger is pointing to where the bottom staple is.

I purchased it at a local comic shop here in the US.

Edited November 21, 2022 by Beyonder123

[Get Marwood & I]

On 11/21/2022 at 2:58 PM, Beyonder123 said:

Here are photos of the spine, and the staples in the insert. It's hard to see the staple even up close, so my finger is pointing to where the bottom staple is.

I purchased it at a local comic shop here in the US.

Cheers Beyonder. It's in the higher position which corresponds with the MJI and pence copy examples that I posted above. I don't see any evidence of obvious tinkering - extra / enlarged pinholes, or insert overhang -  so I don't see any reason to suspect it's been made up post production. Maybe a pence cover found its way into the MJI production mix in error, seeing as how they both appear to have been manufactured with the same staple alignment position.

Thanks for posting it, and look after it as it's potentially a unique, accidental thing of wonder 

(Send it in to CGC - that'll confuse them )

[Beyonder123]

On 11/21/2022 at 7:07 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

(Send it in to CGC - that'll confuse them )

Lol there's a good chance I will

On 11/20/2022 at 3:33 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

Interesting 

And interested 

If I ever decide to sell I'll message you first 🙂 

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 11/21/2022 at 9:18 AM, Beyonder123 said:

Lol there's a good chance I will

If I ever decide to sell I'll message you first 🙂 

So Cool!  

Congrats on the find the main thing! I didn't want to pry, but was the find at a LCS? the pic looks like dividers and what not, but Idk if that was from when you got it home  

I remember the MJI/Canadian was a used bookstore or the like, still proves oddities can be found anywhere  

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 11/21/2022 at 9:58 AM, Beyonder123 said:

I purchased it at a local comic shop here in the US.

@ADAMANTIUM

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 11/21/2022 at 8:58 AM, Beyonder123 said:

I purchased it at a local comic shop here in the US.

Oh snap I almost missed it.lol

[trademarkcomics]

On 11/20/2022 at 3:24 PM, Beyonder123 said:

I don't have much to say about this, but this is a very strange oddity. Someone on the forums a few years back had a couple Canadian price variant Mark Jewelers Daredevil issues, but I've never seen a pence copy before. Thoughts?

Unicorn alert! Looks legit(I'd send it in to be sure though). The only bad thing about crazy unicorns is the lack of a market for them. Reprints of key issues with gimmicky chrome covers have a market, but these true oddities are sorely unappreciated! You'd have to put it at a premium on eBay and wait for someone who will appreciate the rarity. 

[trademarkcomics]

On 11/21/2022 at 4:41 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

OK, I'm mucking about now but here are the 4 versions of Cap #210:

The distance between the bottom of the top staple and the top of the bottom staple is more or less the same for the two 30c versions, but the pence and 35c junior subsets are, again, different with a noticeably lower placed staple.

I'll leave it alone now until @Beyonder123 returns 

I think I should get royalties every time anyone makes reference to the staple thing. 

 

[Get Marwood & I]

On 11/21/2022 at 7:39 PM, trademarkcomics said:

I think I should get royalties every time anyone makes reference to the staple thing. 

 

Sorry!

(It's why I tagged ya )

[trademarkcomics]

On 11/21/2022 at 4:41 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

OK, I'm mucking about now but here are the 4 versions of Cap #210:

The distance between the bottom of the top staple and the top of the bottom staple is more or less the same for the two 30c versions, but the pence and 35c junior subsets are, again, different with a noticeably lower placed staple.

I'll leave it alone now until @Beyonder123 returns 

Oh, and as I stated wayyyy back when I first mentioned the staple thing, a lot of late 70's books are hard to pin down or rely on based on staple position. Especially 30 and 35 centers. 

[Get Marwood & I]

On 11/21/2022 at 7:46 PM, trademarkcomics said:

Oh, and as I stated wayyyy back when I first mentioned the staple thing, a lot of late 70's books are hard to pin down or rely on based on staple position. Especially 30 and 35 centers. 

It's fun mucking about with it though, isn't it ™

[Beyonder123]

I collect MJ inserts whenever I can get them for cheap. I have some really good ones I'll have to post at some point. But as for selling this one, I don't even know what a good starting price would be. 100? 200? It's really one of a kind. Maybe I'd sell it at some point, but for now it's mine. 😁

[trademarkcomics]

On 11/21/2022 at 1:24 PM, Beyonder123 said:

I collect MJ inserts whenever I can get them for cheap. I have some really good ones I'll have to post at some point. But as for selling this one, I don't even know what a good starting price would be. 100? 200? It's really one of a kind. Maybe I'd sell it at some point, but for now it's mine. 😁

I don't know if you've looked at my store on the Bay but if you did you'd understand why I would price it at $9999.99 

But seriously, you're probably in the right ballpark, but since regular copies go for $5-10 in the same condition, it's gonna take a awhile to sell it. I've had double cover and other extremely rare items take 3+ years to sell in my store. But in the meantime, I can appreciate them as a part of my collection.