Would you consider Don Heck and DickAyers founding fathers of the Marvel Universe? 1 1

[Blastaar]

On the same mountain as Stan, Jack, and Steve? 

Edited June 11, 2023 by Blastaar

[Funnybooks]

no

[Funnybooks]

Mr Ayers..good penciller and a great inker 
Don Heck was a serviceable bullpen artist with a bland style

Neither worthy of a place on Rushmore

[Blastaar]

On 6/11/2023 at 12:44 PM, Funnybooks said:

Mr Ayers..good penciller and a great inker 
Don Heck was a serviceable bullpen artist with a bland style

Neither worthy of a place on Rushmore

I guess I should phrase it more of where they signers of the Declaration of Independence and less Mount Rushmore. 

[Funnybooks]

On 6/11/2023 at 1:49 PM, Blastaar said:

I guess I should phrase it more of where they signers of the Declaration of Independence and less Mount Rushmore. 

fair enough 

they're in the same room as the founding fathers but neither with a pen in hand

 

[Ken Aldred]

Not even close when you compare them to next-level creators like Ditko and Kirby.

Supporting characters in the story of Marvel’s Silver Age ascendency. 

Edited June 12, 2023 by Ken Aldred

[Ken Aldred]

On 6/11/2023 at 6:49 PM, Blastaar said:

I guess I should phrase it more of where they signers of the Declaration of Independence and less Mount Rushmore. 

Being British I might be missing the point.

[jjonahjameson11]

On 6/11/2023 at 1:35 PM, Blastaar said:

On the same mountain as Stan, Jack, and Steve? 

[techvoodoo]

Who?

[Ken Aldred]

They were both involved with Marvel throughout the transition between the ‘Marvel Monster’ period and the Silver Age super-hero renaissance, so it’s worth thinking about.

At least we didn’t get a bit too far down the hierarchy and bring up creators such as Reinman and Bernstein.

Edited June 12, 2023 by Ken Aldred

[PopKulture]

Kirby is on the mountain alone. 

Ditko can at least catch a glimpse of him…

Stan is down at base camp taking credit for the mountain. 

Edited June 12, 2023 by PopKulture

[Ken Aldred]

On 6/12/2023 at 2:48 PM, PopKulture said:

Kirby is on the mountain alone

Yup. In terms of creativity, considered by many to be the next-level paradigm.

[KCOComics]

On 6/11/2023 at 1:49 PM, Blastaar said:

I guess I should phrase it more of where they signers of the Declaration of Independence and less Mount Rushmore. 

This is a good analogy. Their names should be on the Marvel "Declaration of Independence" but maybe not written as large as Thomas Jefferson or Herby Hancock. 

Joe Sinnott and Romita Sr should be in the same conversation. Maybe Romita gets a bigger signature because he assumed responsibility for Marvels biggest and most important character.  

 

 

 

[shadroch]

They were part of the Marvel Bullpen, at the beginning.  

Being on the 1927 Yankees doesn't get you into the Hall of Fame, but it gives you a special place in baseball history. 

I think that is a fair comparison. 

[Dr Zen]

On 6/11/2023 at 7:49 PM, Ken Aldred said:

Being British I might be missing the point.

There are only 4 heads on Mount Rushmore. But there are lots of signors of the Declaration of Independence.

[shadroch]

If I recall correctly, there are 56 signatures on the DOI, and at least half are pretty obscure.  Not all of the Founding Fathers were in Philadephia for the meeting. 

Some were busy forming state governments, and a few were actually fighting.

[Funnybooks]

Ok….Don Heck

happy now?

[Dr Zen]

On 6/12/2023 at 2:11 PM, Funnybooks said:

Ok….Don Heck

happy now?

I had no idea Don Heck looked like John Waters.

[rexinnih]

Declaration signers, yes. Rushmore, no. 

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 6/12/2023 at 12:42 PM, KCOComics said:

Their names should be on the Marvel "Declaration of Independence" but maybe not written as large as Thomas Jefferson or Herby Hancock.