ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[CJ Design]

This is crazy...so to interject more questionable issues...because I've been burned on Raws...FF 2,3,4,11,15, 33 DD 5, 7 ASM 3, 20, 21, 23 Avengers 2 TTA 62 TOS 55 and many others Have Pinups

Edited December 23, 2023 by CJ Design

[trademarkcomics]

On 12/23/2023 at 8:34 AM, Nick Furious said:

I'll take the under.  For both a statement and a thread lock.  

I'll take the over on a statement and the under on the thread lock!

[VintageComics]

On 12/23/2023 at 7:41 AM, Mdesimone said:

Asm 129

1097250011

 

Some nice closeups of the front and rear, in good lighting would really help identify some of the smaller defects and may make it easier to tell if the book is properly graded. 

[Mdesimone]

On 12/23/2023 at 11:31 AM, mephistopheles said:

Thanks! Can I ask roughly when in 2019 you bought it? I want to compare it to sales of purples and greens around that time. The angle of the miscut at the top should be easy to match up. Hopefully nothing matches, but we still can't rule out a switcheroo completely as he could have bought a qualified/restored at a con.

December 2019, yea that’s my concern since it appears to be reholdered and in his description stated it was never pressed

[trademarkcomics]

On 12/23/2023 at 8:36 AM, VintageComics said:

Some nice closeups of the front and rear, in good lighting would really help identify some of the smaller defects and may make it easier to tell if the book is properly graded. 

The fraying near the staples and the corners indicates it wasn't. 

[Nick Furious]

On 12/23/2023 at 10:11 AM, drotto said:

Batman 181 seems like a prime candidate for this scam, with the missing pinup leading to qualified grades. 

Feel less comforted now?  

Still gonna sleep ok.  I shy away from so-called "keys" with ugly covers that are lacking in artistic effort and imagination.  

[skybolt]

On 12/23/2023 at 10:23 AM, trademarkcomics said:

I feel this is still localized within the CGC fan community and spreading slightly elsewhere. Casual collectors(which still make up the bulk of potential CGC customers) are completely unaware of this situation. Until it hits the media, it's not going to have any measurable impact. Google "CGC" then hit the news tab and all that comes up is a publicly traded pot company. 

 

Not that it matters. No one is buying slabs from me these days anyway.

[MAR1979]

On 12/23/2023 at 11:34 AM, Nick Furious said:

I'll take the under.  For both a statement and a thread lock.  

Thread lock or removal (take screen caps folks) will give the whole thing credence, speaking louder than any statement. Right now this thread serves as a safety valve for CGC. 

It would actually be great thing if lock occurred. Someone here with the right contacts and skills might get annoyed enough to bring this in proper fashion to a "real" media outlet. From there it could snowball..?

 

Edited December 23, 2023 by MAR1979

[Nick Furious]

On 12/23/2023 at 10:36 AM, trademarkcomics said:

I'll take the over on a statement and the under on the thread lock!

I'm thinking that a statement would have to quickly follow a thread lock.  As the lock itself would be a kind of statement and admission of awareness/activity. 

[Bo1983]

On 12/23/2023 at 11:34 AM, CJ Design said:

This is crazy...so to interject more questionable issues...because I've been burned on Raws...FF 2,3,4,11,15, 33 DD 5, 7 ASM 3, 20, 21, 23 Avengers 2 TTA 62 TOS 55 and many others Have Pinups

Ask for pics and go thru your book it’s that simple 😂

[trademarkcomics]

On 12/23/2023 at 8:38 AM, skybolt said:

Not that it matters. No one is buying slabs from me these days anyway.

I have to give them away at auction. I recently sold a Romita signed ASM 121 8.0 verified by that other company for less than what an unsigned CGC 8.0 is currently priced at on the bay. 

Edited December 23, 2023 by trademarkcomics
Forgot the issue

[CJ Design]

Not that simple if you buy a slab.......

[Sigur Ros]

On 12/23/2023 at 10:48 AM, VintageComics said:

If you want me to stop posting in this thread, I'm more than happy to. 

I don't need to be here reading 90 pages and trying to help. I'd much rather be doing something else. 

You could go start a 3rd AI thread...

[ThothAmon]

On 12/23/2023 at 11:28 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

I've intercepted a transcript of your messaging:

Roy: "Waaagh!"

CGC Mike: "Would you f*** off!"

Roy: "But, waaagh!"

CGC Mike: "Look, just f*** off will you!"

Roy: "But WAAAAAGH!"

CGC Mike: "F*** OFF!"

 

While funny and deserving of hard earned condign punishment at times, the inevitable swirl has begun. Please wash your hands when finished. 

[Silver Surfer]

Is there any way to tell from the cert numbers if a book has had a new holder put on it? If not that might be something that they should start track once they sort this out. 

[trademarkcomics]

On 12/23/2023 at 8:40 AM, Nick Furious said:

I'm thinking that a statement would have to quickly follow a thread lock.  As the lock itself would be a kind of statement and admission of awareness/activity. 

[Sigur Ros]

On 12/23/2023 at 11:21 AM, DC# said:

At least we know Mike is not on Holiday sabbatical.

Which in turn means CGC is ignoring this week-long, nearly 100 page thread about how majorly bad they are.

[AbsoluteCarnage]

Jokes aside, there's much good detective work being done in the thread itself so if anything, it gives CGC areas (Books) to view and figure out more from their end if nothing else. 

[Sigur Ros]

On 12/23/2023 at 11:30 AM, AbsoluteCarnage said:

The over under date is likely January 2nd for a CGC reply 

I'll take the under 

..whelming.

[Buzzetta]

@comicwiz

And Joe, let's also be realistic.  There are many of us that have been around long enough that have seen or heard of certain "doable" scams that we keep them to ourselves so as not to put the information out there for unscrupulous actors to capitalize on them.   These things are not brought into the forefront until they appear to everyone and by then, I do agree that the problems out there are in greater number than the example brought to the light. 

I want to go on record as saying that I do not think that a CGC employee is in cahoots with this.  I think this is gross oversight and something that was exploited during a time period where CGC turn around times were at an all time high, the staff was low, and there was pressure for books to be processed and handed out.   Again, I do not think that a CGC grader or employee is perpetrating a scam. 

With that said, anyone who thinks that the dealers and certain collectors do not know the graders, or have even socialized with some of them, are deluding themselves.  

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Buzzetta