ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[Steven Valdez]

On 12/31/2023 at 3:32 AM, Terry JSA said:

I don’t know if this has been posted here yet, but I guess the scammer was also found on Instagram. Went by Zaneglor_Comics and he eventually deactivated his account.

Yes, grading is so subjective that one man's ASM #238 is another man's ASM #300.

[Steven Valdez]

On 12/31/2023 at 3:35 AM, Heronext said:

Plus buying back books from victims at 20K a pop

Indeed. All I can say about that is "YOWCH!"

[NewWorldOrder]

On 12/30/2023 at 8:35 AM, Heronext said:

Plus buying back books from victims at 20K a pop

How many victims are there?

[Heronext]

On 12/30/2023 at 11:37 AM, NewWorldOrder said:

How many victims are there?

I was exaggerating on the figure.  We know at least one book went for that

[MAR1979]

On 12/30/2023 at 11:28 AM, trademarkcomics said:

I don't know what you're talking about. I have been assured by the government that all of my money is represented in gold in the Federal Treasury. If I wanted to, I could just go pick up my gold at any time!

Tricky D!cky Nixon and his posse ended that in 1971.

Edited December 30, 2023 by MAR1979

[Nick Furious]

On 12/30/2023 at 10:32 AM, Terry JSA said:

I don’t know if this has been posted here yet, but I guess the scammer was also found on Instagram. Went by Zaneglor_Comics and he eventually deactivated his account.

Word Salad.  Never a good sign of innocence.  

[Steven Valdez]

On 12/31/2023 at 3:14 AM, wombat said:

Why would anyone do this? Seems very risky. 

Yep. "Hello CGC... here's the $100K '9.8' Hulk #181 I just cracked open. As you can see the MVS is missing. Let's talk compensation, shall we?"

[trademarkcomics]

On 12/30/2023 at 8:38 AM, MAR1979 said:

Tricky D!cky Nixon and his posse ended that in 1971.

What? Why wasn't I told???

 

Edited December 30, 2023 by trademarkcomics

[NewWorldOrder]

On 12/30/2023 at 8:37 AM, Heronext said:

I was exaggerating on the figure.  We know at least one book went for that

20k isnt a lot of money to CGC though.

[Steven Valdez]

On 12/31/2023 at 3:37 AM, Heronext said:

I was exaggerating on the figure.  We know at least one book went for that

At least 6 x Hulk #181s have been implicated... so far.

[MAR1979]

On 12/30/2023 at 11:40 AM, trademarkcomics said:

What? Why wasn't I told???

 

_{Nixon Ends Convertibility of U.S. Dollars to Gold and Announces Wage/Price Controls}

August 1971

With inflation on the rise and a gold run looming, President Richard Nixon's team enacted a plan that ended dollar convertibility to gold and implemented wage and price controls, which soon brought an end to the Bretton Woods System.

https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/gold-convertibility-ends

Before my time, but i learned it in Elementary school

Edited December 30, 2023 by MAR1979

[MatterEaterLad]

On 12/30/2023 at 7:38 AM, sledgehammer said:

It took some time, but I finally spotted what is in my mind, an absolute connection between a major submitter and the two names that I believe are involved with the various ebay seller IDs.

Is this major submitter a dealer?

[Heronext]

On 12/30/2023 at 11:44 AM, Steven Valdez said:

At least 6 x Hulk #181s have been implicated... so far.

Could very well be $20K x n then

[trademarkcomics]

On 12/30/2023 at 8:42 AM, NewWorldOrder said:

20k isnt a lot of money to CGC though.

This reminds of the scene in Lethal Weapon 2 when Leo Getz is explaining how he was scamming drug dealers dealing with billions of dollars. 

"I was scamming those guys for months! Millions of dollar transactions, all in small bills. Who's gonna miss 10,000 here, 20,000 there?"

"Drug dealers"

"That's right. They did."

[NewWorldOrder]

On 12/30/2023 at 8:44 AM, Steven Valdez said:

At least 6 x Hulk #181s have been implicated... so far.

If those are proven to be compromised and its CGC fault they will pay.

 

On 12/30/2023 at 8:48 AM, Heronext said:

Could very well be $20K x n then

still not a lot of money to them.

[NewWorldOrder]

On 12/30/2023 at 8:48 AM, trademarkcomics said:

This reminds of the scene in Lethal Weapon 2 when Leo Getz is explaining how he was scamming drug dealers dealing with billions of dollars. 

"I was scamming those guys for months! Millions of dollar transactions, all in small bills. Who's gonna miss 10,000 here, 20,000 there?"

"Drug dealers"

"That's right. They did."

Still havent seen those movies believe it or not.  Not sure why just never have.

[MAR1979]

On 12/30/2023 at 11:47 AM, MatterEaterLad said:

Is this major submitter a dealer?

[begin sarcasm] Comic Book Dealer (or Seller) with highly questionable Morals and Ethics, that's not possible [end sarcasm]

Edited December 30, 2023 by MAR1979

[trademarkcomics]

On 12/30/2023 at 8:46 AM, MAR1979 said:

_{Nixon Ends Convertibility of U.S. Dollars to Gold and Announces Wage/Price Controls}

August 1971

With inflation on the rise and a gold run looming, President Richard Nixon's team enacted a plan that ended dollar convertibility to gold and implemented wage and price controls, which soon brought an end to the Bretton Woods System.

https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/gold-convertibility-ends

Before my time, but i learned it in Elementary school

Now you tell me...

[William-James88]

On 12/30/2023 at 11:14 AM, wombat said:

Why would anyone do this? Seems very risky. 

Yeah that ain't happening. 

[Steven Valdez]

On 12/31/2023 at 3:48 AM, Heronext said:

Could very well be $20K x n then

As CGC themselves have stated, there are 'hundreds' of books involved. And Hulk #181 seems to have been a scammer's favourite.