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ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC
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Chip Cataldo

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On 1/2/2024 at 6:11 PM, drotto said:

The second and definitely more important group is new collectors, and like it or not graded comics provide a lower skill avenue to start buying and trading. Will these people be permanently scared off?

How? 99% of them won't even know this happened.

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On 1/2/2024 at 3:53 PM, namisgr said:

So my question: what is the motivation to bother with reholdering in this instance?  The copy that is either below an 8.5 grade, suffering damage deserving of a green label, or both, carries an 8.5 blue label when switched into the top case.  Is it because there's is perceptible damage to the top outer case after the switcheroo, which the fraud launders by the reholdering process?  Or is there another reason to reholder that I'm leaving out?

If the reason to go ahead with the reholdering after the switcheroo is to hide perceptible damage to the outer case, then these switchouts leave a stigma that they've occurred, in the absence of any reholdering. 

The book that now appears with the custom label is probably either lower grade or qualified.  Was put in the Universal 8.5 holder.  The real 8.5 Universal is who knows where now.

Edit - never mind, I see you already answered your own question… probably needed to update the scan in the census. 

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On 1/2/2024 at 6:21 PM, Chip Cataldo said:

How? 99% of them won't even know this happened.

Cgc has graded 18 million books so even if 99 percent of all slabs are legit that leaves 180000 books in question!

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On 1/2/2024 at 6:24 PM, Bo1983 said:

Cgc has graded 18 million books so even if 99 percent of all slabs are legit that leaves 180000 books in question!

So what you're saying is CGC has made a ton of money either way?

-bc

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On 1/2/2024 at 6:35 PM, bc said:

So what you're saying is CGC has made a ton of money either way?

-bc

Looks like that’s all they care about Capitalism baby!

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Chip Cataldo

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On 1/2/2024 at 6:24 PM, Bo1983 said:

Cgc has graded 18 million books so even if 99 percent of all slabs are legit that leaves 180000 books in question!

18 million books. Even if 10,000 people know about this "scandal" that's not even a blip on the radar of the comic collecting public.

In the grand scheme of things, in the long run, as far as the future of the hobby...this means NOTHING.

The only people that care are the 75 or so people that have posted in the few threads we have here and maybe a couple thousand between YouTube and Facebook. That's it.

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On 1/2/2024 at 4:12 PM, Bo1983 said:

Comicwiz is a smart man and would decline 181 for the first appearance in 180

4th attempt to derail this thread toward a discussion on the long dead Hulk 180/181 debate.

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On 1/2/2024 at 6:18 PM, Bo1983 said:

Another 181 glad I have a raw high grade 180 😂

5th attempt to derail this thread toward a discussion on the long dead Hulk 180/181 debate.

And now we see why...he has the 180 and it isn't getting the love that the 181 gets. 

Figured this all along.

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On 1/2/2024 at 6:24 PM, Bo1983 said:

Cgc has graded 18 million books so even if 99 percent of all slabs are legit that leaves 180000 books in question!

Not 18 million. Announced 10 million a year ago, and that included cards, magazines, posters, etc.

Even if 180,000 books, 99% of those are either too inexpensive to work with, or available in too few number to work into the scam.

Just another inflammatory, speculative statement. A cry for attention. 

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On 1/2/2024 at 5:21 PM, Chip Cataldo said:

How? 99% of them won't even know this happened.

That’s…..just so wrong. I think you overestimate how big this hobby is and underestimate how insular it is. You also don’t seem to understand social media because you are an old. It’s ok we all are. 

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On 1/2/2024 at 7:02 PM, BrashL said:

That’s…..just so wrong. I think you overestimate how big this hobby is and underestimate how insular it is. You also don’t seem to understand social media because you are an old. It’s ok we all are. 

Lol. Hilarious. Incorrect on all aspects of your post. Try again.

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On 1/2/2024 at 3:02 PM, drotto said:

So your numbers are suspected/confirmed listing, or do you have a possible number of books involved? 

Do these correspond to the three addresses?

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On 1/2/2024 at 2:09 PM, comicwiz said:

The transition points between briva3, zaneglor and corner142:

briva3 - 12/19/2023 - 9/25/2022 (778 records)
zaneglor - 8/28/2022 - 7/6/2014 (706 records)
corner142 - 3/2/2014 - 1/29/2011 (197 records)

You the man. Good work

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