ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[comicwiz]

On 2/21/2024 at 7:22 AM, Sigur Ros said:

Another CGC fanboy...

The real CGC fanboys laugh at the facts.

Edited February 21 by comicwiz

[comicwiz]

On 2/20/2024 at 8:31 AM, sledgehammer said:

Can someone check GO Collect for the possibly ebay history of Tales of the Teen Titans #44, CGC 9.8,  sold for $650 on June 29, 2022?

I don't see that it has a record on GPA after that.

Of course, sale prices peaked shortly before that at $850, and plummeted after that.

I ran that cert through all the usual suspects, no matches and nothing remarkable as far as the traits I'd use to tease out suspect books. The seller from that Jun 29 2022 past sale is located in Pequannock, New Jersey, so there's still some possibility it circulated from the perp(s) alleged to be at the nexus of this scandal. Without a preceeding appearance of that book, there's no chance it can be taken any further even if you go back to the eBay seller and ask where he got it from. Having a "donor" image is everything in proving swaps of this suspected nature. Below is the image from the original eBay listing:

Edited February 21 by comicwiz

[ThothAmon]

On 2/20/2024 at 11:19 PM, comeaux said:

Nothing will change at CGC, it’s the same incompetent management who allowed fraudulent books to be sent in for reholder, held these fraudulent books in their hands and then sent back this bogus CGC product to the scammer to be sold to the unknowing CGC masses. They allowed CGC employee thugs to print fake labels for an unknown number of books to bilk CGC customers. 

CGC has preferential customers who send in books for a “reholder” wherein they just send in the book with a label without the cracked/broken case. NO QUESTIONS ASKED, CGC sends these natives back a freshly reholdered book. Try that yourself and see how that works out for ya. 

It’s the same CGC employees hired from Shoe Town to handle your books at minimum wage. 
 

The natives have to dump a few 100 CGC slabs a month, this chitshow is pinching their wallet and is why they pop in to read a few posts, throw a few rocks, then disappear back in CGC’s turd funnel. 

Victim blaming is never pretty. Looked at your posting history in the past few years as I pondered a response to your ad hominem rant. It’s pretty sparse but does indicate a hostility to CGC that predates this debacle. If you don’t have something nice to say….

 

[sledgehammer]

On 2/21/2024 at 6:54 AM, comicwiz said:

I ran that cert through all the usual suspects, no matches and nothing remarkable as far as the traits I'd use to tease out suspect books. The seller from that Jun 29 2022 past sale is located in Pequannock, New Jersey, so there's still some possibility it circulated from the perp(s) alleged to be at the nexus of this scandal. Without a preceeding appearance of that book, there's no chance it can be taken any further even if you go back to the eBay seller and ask where he got it from. Having a "donor" image is everything in proving swaps of this suspected nature. Below is the original eBay listing:

Thanks for checking.  Hopefully they are still pondering my request to check if this was a Zanello submission.

Have you seen any other involvement of that azwildcatz520 ebay user ID, that I mentioned to you earlier?

That AZ connection seemed possible to me.

 

[sledgehammer]

On 2/21/2024 at 7:08 AM, ThothAmon said:

Victim blaming is never pretty. Looked at your posting history in the past few years as I pondered a response to your ad hominem rant. It’s pretty sparse but does indicate a hostility to CGC that predates this debacle. If you don’t have something nice to say….

So what?

If you search back far enough, you might find a cheerleader practically polishing somebody's knob about a seminar that person gave at a con, about restoration.

Should I bring that up, about that guy, as his bias?

I vote for letting the moderator do whatever he thinks is necessary.

[comicjel]

On 2/20/2024 at 11:19 PM, comeaux said:

Nothing will change at CGC, it’s the same incompetent management who allowed fraudulent books to be sent in for reholder, held these fraudulent books in their hands and then sent back this bogus CGC product to the scammer to be sold to the unknowing CGC masses. They allowed CGC employee thugs to print fake labels for an unknown number of books to bilk CGC customers. 

CGC has preferential customers who send in books for a “reholder” wherein they just send in the book with a label without the cracked/broken case. NO QUESTIONS ASKED, CGC sends these natives back a freshly reholdered book. Try that yourself and see how that works out for ya. 

It’s the same CGC employees hired from Shoe Town to handle your books at minimum wage. 
 

The natives have to dump a few 100 CGC slabs a month, this chitshow is pinching their wallet and is why they pop in to read a few posts, throw a few rocks, then disappear back in CGC’s turd funnel. 

IMO, these boards remain interesting because of the range of the points of view, such as the above

Edited February 21 by comicjel

[ThothAmon]

On 2/21/2024 at 8:34 AM, sledgehammer said:

So what?

First off who’s talking about needing the moderator?  Looking at a person’s posting history is definitely fair game for trying to understand their perspective. In this case it’s very few and far between in recent years. Plenty of mistakes made by CGC that in hindsight allowed them to be victimized, no doubt, but “natives” “thugs” “incompetent” Shoe Town” “CGC turd tunnel” doesn’t advance the conversation in any way imho. 

[BrashL]

On 2/21/2024 at 8:29 AM, ThothAmon said:

First off who’s talking about needing the moderator?  Looking at a person’s posting history is definitely fair game for trying to understand their perspective. In this case it’s very few and far between in recent years. Plenty of mistakes made by CGC that in hindsight allowed them to be victimized, no doubt, but “natives” “thugs” “incompetent” Shoe Town” “CGC turd tunnel” doesn’t advance the conversation in any way imho. 

I don't know, "Shoe Town" made me laugh. I'll allow it.

[sledgehammer]

On 2/21/2024 at 8:29 AM, ThothAmon said:

First off who’s talking about needing the moderator?  Looking at a person’s posting history is definitely fair game for trying to understand their perspective. In this case it’s very few and far between in recent years. Plenty of mistakes made by CGC that in hindsight allowed them to be victimized, no doubt, but “natives” “thugs” “incompetent” Shoe Town” “CGC turd tunnel” doesn’t advance the conversation in any way imho. 

If it bugs you that much, notify the mods.

Personally, I've never done it once, but you be you.

[comicwiz]

On 2/21/2024 at 8:26 AM, sledgehammer said:

Thanks for checking.  Hopefully they are still pondering my request to check if this was a Zanello submission.

Have you seen any other involvement of that azwildcatz520 ebay user ID, that I mentioned to you earlier?

That AZ connection seemed possible to me.

 

I cover a bit of it here (edited, as YT cut off the previous, this is now edited to include the full version):

 

Edited February 21 by comicwiz

[F For Fake]

On 2/21/2024 at 9:56 AM, comicwiz said:

I cover a bit of it here:

 

Subscribed!

[comicwiz]

On 2/21/2024 at 9:58 AM, F For Fake said:

Subscribed!

Thanks!

And my apologies, YT did me dirty on this upload. I ended-up with two clips. I didn't want to open my go-to editor, and wanted some quick upload action, and they somehow found a way to screw me on the clip by ending it a few seconds early.

I was basically concluding to say that we need to wait, respect the legal process, and I thanked everyone for watching! 

Appreciate the sub!

[Mr. Zipper]

On 2/20/2024 at 5:11 PM, NewWorldOrder said:

Many are posting with emotion and complete speculation, as more facts come out then of course I readjust how I view situation.  ...most of the posts now are just the angry mob that gets upset if anyone doesn't align with the group think.

This is pretty much how every "scandal" has played out since the beginning of these boards. And there is always an element that will jump down your throat if you aren't running around with your hair on fire like they are.

Of course this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed and CGC needs to do better. That said, the sun is shining, the birds are singing, and 99.9999% of the world carries on blissfully unaware of the apocalypse some are enduring over this issue.

This, too, shall pass.

[Dr. Balls]

On 2/21/2024 at 7:29 AM, ThothAmon said:

“CGC turd tunnel”

If this is in Florida, can you tell me where so if I ever go there, I can take an alternate route?

[sledgehammer]

On 2/21/2024 at 11:11 AM, Dr. Balls said:

If this is in Florida, can you tell me where so if I ever go there, I can take an alternate route?

damn, even Dr. balls says, "proctology, yuck."

[CGC Mike]

While we do allow criticism, everything has it's limits.  Keep this in mind, or you may be banned from this topic.  This just happened to one person.  It could have been worse, as continuous name calling of CCG staff or our company could result in being banned.  In other words, if your sole purpose here is to bash our company and/or promote our competitors, you may be escorted to the door.  Demanding us to do better is one thing.  Name calling and constant trashing is another.  I am hoping that this one action that I have taken will be the last.  I am not seeing this with most everyone else but, I thought I would post this to prevent any others from being banned from this topic or worse.  Please do not dwell on what I have posted, as it is not up for discussion and could result in posts being removed.

[RockMyAmadeus]

On 2/20/2024 at 8:19 PM, comeaux said:

...turd funnel. 

On 2/21/2024 at 6:29 AM, ThothAmon said:

“...turd tunnel”

[sledgehammer]

On 1/26/2024 at 7:50 AM, comicwiz said:

Don't worry about the "nothing to see here brigade" - they're role is to foment and create division and distraction. Some have no business even posting here based on their history, and with others, you can see right through their intent because money is inevitably the corrupting influence. They might even see the information I've posted here as a threat to their grabby pursuits. I don't even need to see it in their written words or parse the hidden meaning in what they write, I know their intent when they ask how I've been able to "spend" the kind of time on what I have, or that all that has been highlighted is exhasuting. Their miscalculations go beyond placing that much significance on a tamper-proof claim that has been disproven, in the most perverse manner imaginable, just look at the evidence compiled thus far. It extends to belieiving any one person can invoke that kind of change. 

Evolution seems to proceed not by design but by chance and serendipity.

well said.

[sledgehammer]

On 2/14/2024 at 7:12 PM, CGC Mike said:

CCG strongly advises prospective buyers to do their research and buy from reputable sources. CGC offers the free Verify CGC Certification tool on its websites to help collectors and dealers verify CGC-certified collectibles. In addition, collectors can use the CGC Dealer Locator to find CGC Authorized Dealers.

I feel like I've done a pretty good job at this point, of being able to recognize submissions, as potentially being one of scamboys.

In the last 24 hours, thanks to GPA, I took a look at the submissions of each of the last two, 9.8 ASM 300s that sold for $3500 each.

Those two sales, were 50% of the 9.8 ASM 300 sales documented on GPA, since December 18

My review of those submissions, left me with the opinion that I would have almost zero reservations with bidding on those two books, compared to copies, included in submissions, that have both books on the list and books not on the list.

i've tagged Matt from customer service twice. Honestly, it's because I like you, and I feel a bit rotten that you are constantly on a leash in regards to questions with these two big issues for CGC.

I don't think that it is unreasonable, that if in the course of due diligence, someone asks CGC if a submission was made by Scamboy, to get a response.

that might be naïve, but that's my opinion.

Edited February 21 by sledgehammer

[comicwiz]

On 2/21/2024 at 2:40 PM, sledgehammer said:

well said.

Thanks, excuse the repost of the vid because YT cut off about a minute and a half, which does cover some of the bit you had asked on: