drotto Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) A few things that in my mind must be stated first. 1. What Ed did was wrong, he should not have responded to or continue to respond to Molly in a sexual fashion, or in any fashion. Furthermore, his solution was tragic and unnecessary. It was ultimately his choice, but does not come across as a choice of someone that was mentally stable even before this transpired. 2. Molly was wronged, no question. I do have just a few questions concerning her. Was it just youthful naivete that prompted the initial text, how aware was she about what she was doing? What are her motivations for coming forward now? Has she embellished or exaggerated her side of the story at all? These are not accusations or meant to shame her, but needed for clarification and context to the events. 3. Ed, despite being wrong, was also a victim here. In some respects, it is this last part that bothers me the most. We live in a culture where the standard has ALWAYS been innocent till proven guilt. We are in theory a forgiving society, that is in search of truth not destruction and the mob mentality. We are a society that hopefully believes in right and wrong, and when needed will punish wrong, but always leaves room for redemption. Unfortunately, in this media obsessed, narcissistic world, we have a vocal minority that has appointed themselves as the ultimate arbitrators of truth, and self appointed judge, jury, and executers of that truth. They act without full understanding of the situation, jump to conclusions, and with perceived moral righteousness never questioning if what they are doing is appropriate. Their intention is to destroy people at every possible level, and destroy not only people's present but also their prospects for the future. Rarely is it possible for the individual attacked to be redeemed, but still they insist the individual goes through a series of trials and apologies, to try and atone for their sins. Even if this mob is ultimately proven wrong, they never apologize themselves, never change, and they never look back. They have gone on to look for the next thing, because even if they were wrong, to them it was for the greater good. So while I can assign plenty of blame to Ed, these people that were waiting to, and seemly gleefully in destroying him are awful and guilty on every level. Edited April 5 by drotto D84, RockMyAmadeus, The humble Watcher lurking and 2 others 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 On 4/5/2024 at 6:55 AM, drotto said: 1. What Ed did was wrong, he should not have responded to or continue to respond to Molly in a sexual fashion, or in any fashion. 2. Molly was wronged, no question. D2, mysterymachine and jimjum12 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauce Dog Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) On 4/5/2024 at 1:07 PM, Poutine said: People here still think Justin Roiland was wrong, even when found innocent in a court of law Yes, but also no. Courts do not determine innocence, it is of course assumed the default state, but rather courts determine guilt. His cases were dropped because of insufficient evidence to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt (Not making a value judgement on him either way, though with him the adage 'if there is smoke, there is fire' comes into my mind, but prosecution will not just take a risk if it isn't close to being a sure thing) Edited April 5 by Sauce Dog Poekaymon, jimjum12 and thehumantorch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lazyboy Posted April 5 Popular Post Share Posted April 5 On 4/5/2024 at 8:55 AM, drotto said: We live in a culture where the standard has ALWAYS been innocent till proven guilt. That's the standard in the legal system (as it should be). If you think that has ever really been the cultural standard, you need to go study some history rather than wasting time here. Poutine, The humble Watcher lurking, Sauce Dog and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauce Dog Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) On 4/5/2024 at 4:53 PM, Poutine said: So he's still guilty, right? "I'm not passing judgement, but I'm passing judgement" Fact is nobody outside knows the facts, but because its him, he's guilty. Why? Because he isn't one of us He had many allegations against him (domestic violence, abuse), and even after all those were dismissed due to lack of evidence (once again, not zero evidence, just not enough to be beyond a reasonable doubt)...he had even MORE new allegations come up last year. Sure, he isn't technically guilty by a court of law, but he sure doesn't seem to me like someone who is squeaky clean innocent (Hence me saying I get the feeling of 'where there is smoke, there is fire' with him) Edited April 5 by Sauce Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauce Dog Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) On 4/5/2024 at 5:12 PM, Poutine said: Yeah but you are still passing judgement. Anyways, point proven What point? You said "People here still think Justin Roiland was wrong, even when found innocent in a court of law" He wasn't proved innocent, and it is more than reasonable for common people, not the courts, to have the opinion he is still 'wrong' based on continued allegations...over and over again. Edited April 5 by Sauce Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauce Dog Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 On 4/5/2024 at 5:21 PM, Poutine said: Allegations Anyways, done with it Would you let your (hypothetical) daughter hang out with someone with as many allegations as him, or do you think it would be unfair of you to make such a judgement call and hold such an opinion? Lazyboy and Juno Beach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 On 4/5/2024 at 3:06 PM, Sauce Dog said: He had many allegations against him (domestic violence, abuse), and even after all those were dismissed due to lack of evidence (once again, not zero evidence, just not enough to be beyond a reasonable doubt)...he had even MORE new allegations come up last year. Sure, he isn't technically guilty by a court of law, but he sure doesn't seem to me like someone who is squeaky clean innocent (Hence me saying I get the feeling of 'where there is smoke, there is fire' with him) Where there's smoke there's fire is pretty apt. Just too many accusations to ignore. He may not have been convicted in a court of law but I'm pretty sure he has a problem. Poekaymon, KCOComics, Sauce Dog and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Poekaymon Posted April 5 Popular Post Share Posted April 5 On 4/5/2024 at 5:35 PM, thehumantorch said: Where there's smoke there's fire is pretty apt. And that's coming from the Human Torch. F For Fake, Cat, Ken Aldred and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedcake Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Why are there fourteen pages litigating what Ed Piskor may or may not have done or whether or not what he may or may not have done was illegal, simply immoral, just a little creepy, none of the above or all in the basket? RIP Ed. the whole situation stinks and I feel terribly for his family and friends. comeaux, jimjum12 and Sauce Dog 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelrod Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 On 4/5/2024 at 6:36 PM, speedcake said: Why are there fourteen pages litigating what Ed Piskor may or may not have done or whether or not what he may or may not have done was illegal, simply immoral, just a little creepy, none of the above or all in the basket? It's the Internet and People Have Opinions. Juno Beach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysterymachine Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) On 4/5/2024 at 11:59 AM, Sauce Dog said: Courts do not determine innocence, it is of course assumed the default state, but rather courts determine guilt. So it is not innocent until proven guilty, it is guilty without evidence until proven guilty. Got it. I see that someone is confused. I don't disagree, I'm just saying that society sure has a different view of things these days. Edited April 5 by mysterymachine Sauce Dog, RockMyAmadeus, jimjum12 and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 On 4/5/2024 at 5:50 PM, mysterymachine said: So it is not innocent until proven guilty, it is guilty without evidence until proven guilty. Got it. Where did you get that from? That's not even close to what he wrote. Sauce Dog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedcake Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 On 4/5/2024 at 6:41 PM, Axelrod said: It's the Internet and People Have Opinions. the great fault and travesty of the internet is that it has lead the multitudes to believe their every opinion is interesting. comeaux and jimjum12 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted April 6 Author Share Posted April 6 On 4/5/2024 at 7:18 PM, speedcake said: the great fault and travesty of the internet is that it has lead the multitudes to believe their every opinion is interesting. And also fact... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/5/2024 at 3:54 PM, Poekaymon said: And that's coming from the Human Torch. Happens to be a character I like. I haven't burned anything down in a while... jimjum12 and postersandstuff 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/5/2024 at 6:00 PM, Ryan. said: On 4/5/2024 at 5:18 PM, speedcake said: the great fault and travesty of the internet is that it has lead the multitudes to believe their every opinion is interesting. And also fact... The power of the internet. It's power to link us together and focus attention and connect us can be a blessing or a curse. The term 'going viral' really does apply. I just can't imagine how terrible it would feel if suddenly thousands or millions of people were attacking me online and making accusations and spewing hatred. On the flip side the internet can expose bad behaviour and help to stop it. jimjum12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Cataldo Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/5/2024 at 8:57 PM, thehumantorch said: I just can't imagine how terrible it would feel if suddenly thousands or millions of people were attacking me online and making accusations and spewing hatred. On the flip side the internet can expose bad behaviour and help to stop it. It can even do both at once. thehumantorch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Namor Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/6/2024 at 7:57 AM, thehumantorch said: On the flip side the internet can expose bad behaviour and help to stop it. Well... usually it exposes it after it happens, so it doesn't actually stop it. Dr. Balls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hibou Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/5/2024 at 9:37 PM, Chip Cataldo said: It can even do both at once. This is such a sad thread from start to end. I only knew of Ed through his name and attributes... I only heard of these accusations form here, on the CGC forum, sadly. I went back and listened to the videos both against Ed and in support of Ed on YouTube... seemingly our now, God All Mighty, AI resource for news. (Yes, a dash of sarcasm here.) To me, Ed sounded like all of us. Flawed. I'm not sure what exactly happened here but from an outsider point of view, it seems like Judgement isn't any or our fortitude, nor should it be. Rest in Peace, Ed Piskor. RockMyAmadeus, jimjum12 and ThothAmon 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...