Missing pages a manufacturing defect? 1 1

[paqart]

Today, I decided to read my just arrived copy of Captain Marvel #22, the first appearance of Mr. Mind. However, he isn't there. The reason is that the comic is missing the centerfold (pgs 33-36). After looking at it carefully, it looks to me like the page may have never been in the comic, a manufacturing defect. I'm returning it because it is incomplete, but it made me curious how such a thing is treated when graded, assuming that is what happened here. If the pages weren't removed, then the comic wasn't damaged by removing pages, though it is incomplete.

 

 

Edited June 26 by paqart
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[Lightning55]

And all the pages are upside down, too! Crazy day at the printer's.

[marvelmaniac]

As is, the book is incomplete, if it were determined to be an actual bindery/printing defect I would assume that CGC would give this book a "Green Qualified" label grading the book as if the centerfold was present but noting that it is missing on the label, rather than a "Universal Blue" label with a grade of PR 0.5 incomplete, missing centerfold.

There are a small niche of collectors that collect bindery defect books, I have an F.F. Annual 1 that has part 1 of the story printed twice while omitting part 2, basically that book would also be considered incomplete, the book was given to me as a Christmas gift back in 81/82 and I did not say anything since the folks that bought it went to a lot of trouble to find it, there was no internet.

[Yorick]

Trying to determine if the printer didn't put the sheets in or whether someone later ripped the pages out has got to be the most difficult error to ID.  I'd guess that CGC would give a 0.5 every time (or Qualified).

[cgcsketcherz]

Green Label: (Hoping to get it signed at NYCC so it will become yellow/green hybrid.)

Label Text: MANUFACTURED WITH FIRST 4 WRAPS INSERTED TWICE & 4 CENTER WRAPS MISSING, AFFECTS STORY. INCOMPLETE.

Pedigree: MANUFACTURING ERROR/INCOMPLETE

Grader Notes: Right Bottom Back Cover Crease

[Paul Kosnik]

On 6/25/2024 at 10:27 PM, paqart said:

Today, I decided to read my just arrived copy of Captain Marvel #22, the first appearance of Mr. Mind. However, he isn't there. The reason is that the comic is missing the centerfold (pgs 33-36). After looking at it carefully, it looks to me like the page may have never been in the comic, a manufacturing defect. I'm returning it because it is incomplete, but it made me curious how such a thing is treated when graded, assuming that is what happened here. If the pages weren't removed, then the comic wasn't damaged by removing pages, though it is incomplete.

 

 

I'm interested to know why you think the centerfold may not have been there from a manufacturing error...it's a single sheet of paper, and held by only a single staple.  Isn't the most parsimonious explanation of the absence of the centerfold that it was simply pulled out of the book at some point in the last 70+ years?

[davidking623]

On 7/2/2024 at 4:44 AM, Paul Kosnik said:

I'm interested to know why you think the centerfold may not have been there from a manufacturing error...it's a single sheet of paper, and held by only a single staple.  Isn't the most parsimonious explanation of the absence of the centerfold that it was simply pulled out of the book at some point in the last 70+ years?

Not that I would disagree with this but they manufacture books without a staple as it clearly has no evidence of being there , my take is this one is a lot harder to prove and basically no real way of proving it but still it could happen ..

[Uff_Da]

On 7/2/2024 at 7:44 AM, Paul Kosnik said:

I'm interested to know why you think the centerfold may not have been there from a manufacturing error...it's a single sheet of paper, and held by only a single staple.  Isn't the most parsimonious explanation of the absence of the centerfold that it was simply pulled out of the book at some point in the last 70+ years?

Of course it is. He's just trying to get a grade bump 😆 

[Uff_Da]

On 7/2/2024 at 1:42 PM, davidking623 said:

Not that I would disagree with this but they manufacture books without a staple as it clearly has no evidence of being there , my take is this one is a lot harder to prove and basically no real way of proving it but still it could happen ..

Well anything's possible if you use the ol' Lloyd Christmas logic 😆 

[Lazyboy]

On 7/2/2024 at 1:15 PM, Uff_Da said:

Well anything's possible if you use the ol' Lloyd Christmas logic 😆 

So you're telling me there's a chance?

[The Lions Den]

On 6/25/2024 at 11:27 PM, paqart said:

Today, I decided to read my just arrived copy of Captain Marvel #22, the first appearance of Mr. Mind. However, he isn't there. The reason is that the comic is missing the centerfold (pgs 33-36). After looking at it carefully, it looks to me like the page may have never been in the comic, a manufacturing defect. I'm returning it because it is incomplete, but it made me curious how such a thing is treated when graded, assuming that is what happened here. If the pages weren't removed, then the comic wasn't damaged by removing pages, though it is incomplete.

 

 

I apologize in advance, but if it's a 3.5 or higher, I suspect it'd receive a Qualified label with no manufacturing error designation. If it's less than a 3.5, the book would likely end up as a Universal .5. The missing centerfold should also be noted, especially since it affects the story.