Congratulations, 2024 CGC Comics Registry Award Winners! 3 3

[jimjum12]

I'm beyond humbled by this. Especially after all the help you guys gave me earlier this year, when I was in a deep dark hole. I'm selecting the CGC Forum as "Best Forum Of The Multiverse". You know, I found this place shortly after I decided to get sober ( I was a wreck) and here it is, almost 25 years later, and I'm still on the wagon, thanks in large part to this place. Thanks, guys  GOD BLESS ...

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

 

[Lee Enterprises]

On 7/26/2024 at 4:30 PM, Mississippi Mudcats said:

Congrats to Lou! His collection is stunning and I really thought his winning of the overall award was several years overdue. 

However, at the risk of being labeled poor losers, the way the individual set award winners are determined remains a total mystery to us. Let me say upfront that I don’t think anyone collects comics to win these awards, they really are not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things. But this year the three winners of the best SA set, which we are focusing on only because we are primarily SA collectors, all came from rather obscure titles. Two of the sets were not complete and one of those was ranked third in the title. All three sets had less than 6000 registry points and one should have been in a different category. No offense intended to the collectors who owned those sets, we don’t know any of them, but the criteria CGC employs to select the set award winners every year defies logic, because it is clearly not based on total points, set ranking, completeness or presentation. There were at least 1000 better SA sets based on those criteria than the three that won. 

Maybe we are just ignorant, but it seems to us that these awards have become more participation trophies than anything else, which is fine, just tell us that upfront. Otherwise, how is it that a set that is incomplete, ranks third in its title behind two complete sets, and scores less than 6,000 registry points is judged better than ones that are first in a title, are 100% complete, and contain full descriptions of every book with front and back pictures and hundreds of thousands of registry points?  If nothing else, it certainly draws into question how CGC scores books in the registry. 

Admittedly, these are CGC’s awards and they can do with them anything they like, but at least they should explain the criteria for judging the sets so that we collectors can decide whether to make our sets public for the competition. 

Congrats again to Lou and the other winners, but I think these awards should either be discontinued or winning sets judged based on some objective standard of merit, which is clearly not the case currently. In fact, I think the entire registry point system is in dire need of revision, what exactly are registry points supposed to signify anyway?  Currently, books that have higher populations and are regularly traded are scored much higher than rarer books that may well be more valuable if they ever appeared on the market.
 

Sets should also be scored based on some percentage of completion component, which we have argued for years. And then there is the problem that the collection that stands second in the total point standings was sold several years ago, but still tops the registry in several sets-there are several other similar examples. At the very least, CGC should make each competitor confirm that they still own the books in their sets. I know of several occasions in the past where awards have been given to people who have already sold some or all of the books in their award winning sets. 

At any rate, sorry for the rant and I am sure now that some people here will attack this post or us personally and come to bat for the integrity of the registry points and/or judging system, but they are certainly a mystery to us-and we’ve been collecting CGC comics for over two decades and have been on the registry since 2010. 

 

First of all, congratulations to @Sweet Lou 14 and all the other 2024 winners. Lou's sets are simply awesome.

You make some good points here. As a side note, I have thoroughly enjoyed looking at your sets and reading your descriptions. Your collection is astounding.

To your points, I can see the need for an objective criteria for judging the award winning sets. I know that many members invest A LOT of time into making their sets as complete as possible with pictures and descriptions (not to mention the money spent to acquire the books in the first place). The only thing I can think of is that CGC does not want to award the same members each year who objectively have the best sets year in and year out. I can see how that does not sit well when you have many of the objectively best registered sets.

I also believe there needs to be a clean up of well known sold books. The Amazing Spider-Man collection you mention is a prime example of a highly publicized sold collection that continues to block other members from moving up in rank. Since the 2021 Heritage auction where this collection was sold, the individual books have been spread out among many collectors, many of which will never register their books for a variety of reasons, and that reality will only perpetuate the problem. The sold AF15 9.6 (alone), that anchors two #1 ranking ASM sets (1-100 and ASM Complete), is worth more registry points than any other member's individually registered entire 1-100 or ASM Complete set. Since that book is sold and no longer owned by the member, this situation is unfair to other members who are trying to assemble (or technically already have, like you do in the ASM 1-100 and ASM Complete categories) a #1 ranking registry set. This particular ASM situation would be easy for CGC to rectify since the sets in question contain pictures of each book that can be compared and matched to the pictures in the 2021 Heritage auction results. Since Amazing Spider-Man appears to be the most popular registered category, this fix should be a priority. CGC could also simply ask the member to manually remove the sold books from the CGC registry. That would be an easy fix which is further needed because this sold collection is also blocking members from moving up in the total comics registry points ranking, like @Sweet Lou 14.

So, for what my two cents are worth, I hear you. 

 

[Paul © ® ⚽️💙™]

On 7/29/2024 at 2:01 PM, jimjum12 said:

I'm beyond humbled by this. Especially after all the help you guys gave me earlier this year, when I was in a deep dark hole. I'm selecting the CGC Forum as "Best Forum Of The Multiverse". You know, I found this place shortly after I decided to get sober ( I was a wreck) and here it is, almost 25 years later, and I'm still on the wagon, thanks in large part to this place. Thanks, guys  GOD BLESS ...

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

 

 

Seriously well done....on both counts!  

[Paul © ® ⚽️💙™]

On 7/26/2024 at 6:10 PM, thehumantorch said:

Thanks Mike.  You're very kind.

Well in, Dave.   

 

[fast eddie]

Congratulations everyone,,,,,,,, I am inspired!!!!!!

[jimjum12]

Back when I was still working and had a little money, I bought several of Sweet Lou's undercopies, and they were, as could be imagined, sweet. I would be almost afraid to see his collection, I might never be the same again. Then again, that might be a good thing  GOD BLESS...

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

[Get Marwood & I]

On 7/26/2024 at 6:05 PM, CGC Mike said:

Aside from the Registry, I wanted to personally congratulate the 3 forumites of the year.  @jimjum12 @thehumantorch  @marvelmaniac

jimjum12

This user has shared his vast knowledge with other collectors here for more than 20 years. His mild-mannered and friendly attitude has made it easy for him to fit in and be highly respected in the community.

thehumantorch

This user is always providing helpful information to newcomers and veteran posters alike. His vast knowledge and experience do not go unnoticed. The same can be said about his unique sense of humor.

marvelmaniac

This user is very helpful to others in the hey buddy can you spare a grade forum, by supplying a highly detailed grading tutorial to support his grade in every post. In turn, this educates other users about comic grading.

Congratulations to this year's forumite winners - well done guys!