Popular Post comicwiz Posted August 1 Popular Post Share Posted August 1 The writing was on the wall when Len Wein's widow Christina Valada got the call from Marvel telling her that Roy Thomas was now co-creator for Wolverine. This was timed to the highly anticipated release of the 2024 Deadpool & Wolverine film (now in theaters). Some of this was covered in this past thread. This article titled Wolverine Co-Creator Roy Thomas on His ‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ Credit: “My Name Should Have Come First was written by Houseroy and spells out his grievance. I realize Jack Kirby tried to warn us of this, but it is appalling to see what he's doing, and the lengths his ego and Cimino's bruised knees will go. Pathetic! Mr Sneeze, MR SigS, Mmehdy and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post royaluglydudes Posted August 1 Popular Post Share Posted August 1 The guy's ego rivals just about anyone's, but I was still shocked that he couldn't leave things where they were and is now insisting on first billing. He should get none. An awful, and cowardly, man. Larryw7, Mmehdy, Mr Sneeze and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MattTheDuck Posted August 1 Popular Post Share Posted August 1 "It's amazing what you can accomplish if no one cares too much about who gets the credit." MAY1979, Mmehdy, Off Panel and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AlterEgo2024 Posted August 1 Popular Post Share Posted August 1 From the article. "... with myself as editor-in-chief quite content to let Len, John and Herb handle things once I gave out general marching orders." And then demand primary credit afterwards. Sounds like Roy learned a valuable lesson from his mentor. goldust40, Larryw7, KCOComics and 4 others 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chip Cataldo Posted August 1 Popular Post Share Posted August 1 Eff him. Cat, grendel013, goldust40 and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 On 8/1/2024 at 11:41 AM, AlterEgo2024 said: From the article. "... with myself as editor-in-chief quite content to let Len, John and Herb handle things once I gave out general marching orders." And then demand primary credit afterwards. Sounds like Roy learned a valuable lesson from his mentor. Yes, that comment immediately bothered me. Doesn't sound like there's any 'roy' in team and he's gonna push for as much credit as possible and as little for everyone else involved. Math Teacher and goldust40 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post paperheart Posted August 1 Popular Post Share Posted August 1 not who I thought this thread was about when I saw the title The humble Watcher lurking, Larryw7, thehumantorch and 10 others 3 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlterEgo2024 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Speaking of Mr. Delic...... Has he been permanently banned, or is he doing an X month bid on probation, or has he decided to just go away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlterEgo2024 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Also from the article... "He is known for his work as the co-creator of numerous popular characters, including Vision....." Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Vision already a character in the 1940's Timely comics? Roy certainly deserves credit for reviving and updating the character in Avengers #57, but in no way did he a co-create the character unless he was writing comics in his playpen. Phicks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Larryw7 Posted August 1 Popular Post Share Posted August 1 (edited) Houseroy learned a lot from Funky Flashman. Edited August 1 by Larryw7 mr_highgrade, AlterEgo2024, Dick Pontoon and 6 others 4 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 On 8/1/2024 at 12:04 PM, AlterEgo2024 said: Also from the article... "He is known for his work as the co-creator of numerous popular characters, including Vision....." Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Vision already a character in the 1940's Timely comics? Roy certainly deserves credit for reviving and updating the character in Avengers #57, but in no way did he a co-create the character unless he was writing comics in his playpen. In the 1940s, there was a character named The Vision, just as there was a Human Torch, Doctor Strange, Wonder Woman, Thor, etc. The Vision Roy created had more in common with the GA Torch than the era's Vision. He didn't revive the 1940s character, he invented a new character that shared the same name. KirbyJack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Cataldo Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 On 8/1/2024 at 2:56 PM, AlterEgo2024 said: Speaking of Mr. Delic...... Has he been permanently banned, or is he doing an X month bid on probation, or has he decided to just go away? I think it was a 6-month timeout. He just got back yesterday. The humble Watcher lurking and grendel013 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlterEgo2024 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 On 8/1/2024 at 3:14 PM, shadroch said: In the 1940s, there was a character named The Vision, just as there was a Human Torch, Doctor Strange, Wonder Woman, Thor, etc. The Vision Roy created had more in common with the GA Torch than the era's Vision. He didn't revive the 1940s character, he invented a new character that shared the same name. Thomas along with John Buscema created a "new" character who has a strikingly similar appearance to the 1940's Vision. The details of the "new" character are absolutely different than the 1940's character, but would the "new" character have existed at all if not for the original? Thomas has often said that he wanted to revive the 1940's Timely characters in some way. The obvious example of this is Avengers #97. Do you think Thomas would have have chosen the name "Vision" for the "new" character if the original 1940's Vision didn't exist? Do you think Thomas/Buscema would have come up with the existing visual design of the silver age Vision if the 1940's character didn't exist? IMO the only way Thomas deserves co-creator credit is if he and Buscema had created an entirely new character with an entirely new look, origin and name. He did half of that, and basically had Buscema copy and update the original 1940's visual design of the character. bc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AlterEgo2024 Posted August 1 Popular Post Share Posted August 1 On 8/1/2024 at 3:15 PM, Chip Cataldo said: I think it was a 6-month timeout. He just got back yesterday. Can't wait to see him and the guy from Switzerland have a "discussion". ttfitz, october, grendel013 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 On 8/1/2024 at 2:14 PM, Larryw7 said: Houseroy learned a lot from Funky Flashman. goldust40, AlterEgo2024 and Larryw7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bc Posted August 1 Popular Post Share Posted August 1 (edited) Sounds like an excuse to post this -bc Edited August 1 by bc add splash pic AndyFish, KirbyJack, skypinkblu and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 On 8/1/2024 at 1:16 PM, AlterEgo2024 said: Can't wait to see him and the guy from Switzerland have a "discussion". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel013 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Roy Thomas should go work for Beach Bum. Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Cataldo Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 On 8/1/2024 at 5:39 PM, bc said: Sounds like an excuse to post this brag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 On 8/1/2024 at 7:17 PM, Chip Cataldo said: Thank you for highlighting my post Simply trying to show an example of a topic discussion that not everyone in CG may be familiar with and the similarities of the splash to the cover of AV57. The Vision is one of my all time favorite SA/BA characters. Love the merging of the GA Vision & Human Torch into the origin story in AV58. -bc Chip Cataldo and AlterEgo2024 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...