What comic creators would deserve a credit for a character they didn't create but molded them into what we know...... 2 2

[Krydel4]

Piggy backing off the Roy Thomas/Wolverine credit discussion. What creators do you think took a character and by their influence made the character into what we view the character(s) to be (visually,  personality, etc)...

Personally, I think Joe Kelly ( Deadpool), Claremont/Byrne (Wolverine), and Larry Hama (G.I. Joe) would deserve such a creator designation if we could. Thoughts?

Edited August 4 by Krydel4
Clarity

[Off Panel]

I agree with your suggestions.

I would further nominate Frank Miller for his many additions to Daredevil's canon.

[KirbyJack]

Starlin for Warlock

[jjonahjameson11]

Byrne = Wolverine

Moore = Swamp Thing

 

[Off Panel]

A thousand times "Yes" to Moore on Swamp Thing!

[Cat]

Joe Kelly - Deadpool 

Simon Furman - The Transformers 

Claremont/Miller - Wolverine. 

Roy Thomas - whatever he chooses on any particular day. 

[southern cross]

On 8/4/2024 at 5:11 PM, jjonahjameson11 said:

Byrne = Wolverine

Moore = Swamp Thing

 

What about Bernie on Swamp Thing?

 

[Buzzetta]

Hands down Larry Hama.  We all think of Hama as having created GI Joe.  Hama was handed the toys from Hasbro and told to create stories based on them.  Guys like Ron Rudat, a Hasbro illustrator and designer and Kirk Bozigian, the brand manager created the figures first for the 3.75” line and then showed Hama who contributed with the file cards and then incorporated those characters into his comic mythos.  Despite not creating the actual toys, the universe that Larry Hama created has been accepted as the Bible to which all incarnations of G.I. Joe have evolved from.

 

Larry Hama  

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[RockMyAmadeus]

 

[Ken Aldred]

On 8/5/2024 at 12:49 PM, RockMyAmadeus said:

 

Steady on !

 

[Ken Aldred]

On 8/5/2024 at 3:46 AM, southern cross said:

What about Bernie on Swamp Thing?

 

And Bill Finger for the dark version of Batman before those young whippersnappers Adams and O’Neil got credited ? 

[AJD]

Carl Barks with Donald Duck is going to be hard to beat.

[Ken Aldred]

More limited than one might think at first.

The best example I could come up with, about formerly non A-list characters getting elevated by creators at a later stage to comics stardom are the current generation Guardians of the Galaxy, and their Annihilation era re-imagining by Giffen, Abnett and Lanning, also the potential there, in the end, for the new team to be used as the inspiration for one of the best Marvel Studios films.

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[Ken Aldred]

On 8/5/2024 at 1:17 PM, AJD said:

Carl Barks with Donald Duck is going to be hard to beat.

That’s a good one.

[jjonahjameson11]

On 8/4/2024 at 10:46 PM, southern cross said:

What about Bernie on Swamp Thing?

 

Please read the title of this thread

[Coverdeath]

I never read any Marvel books, but I heard 1000 times about the revolution of Dardevil by Frank Miller.

[Readcomix]

Will all due respect to Byrne, I think much of Wolverine’s individual backstory comes from the Claremont/Miller series. I think Claremont and Byrne gave us the look and the persona; Claremont and Miller fleshed out the backstory behind the simple name “Logan.”

[Readcomix]

And Michelinie for Iron Man; Peter David and the Hulk.

Edited August 5 by Readcomix

[jjonahjameson11]

On 8/5/2024 at 9:41 AM, Readcomix said:

Will all due respect to Byrne, I think much of Wolverine’s individual backstory comes from the Claremont/Miller series. I think Claremont and Byrne gave us the look and the persona; Claremont and Miller fleshed out the backstory behind the simple name “Logan.”

I’m not taking away anything from Miller’s significance on Wolvie’s character development.  However, it was Byrne & his contribution to the character that made him interesting enough as the loner-member of The X-Men to warrant the first mini-series.

Prior to Byrne, Cockrum liked/wanted to focus on Nightcrawler, which was his favourite.

so, if it wasn’t for Byrne’s contribution towards focus/evolution of Wolverine and his mysterious loner persona, I don’t think we would have even had the Claremont/Wolvie mini-series, right?  

[Readcomix]

On 8/5/2024 at 10:28 AM, jjonahjameson11 said:

I’m not taking away anything from Miller’s significance on Wolvie’s character development.  However, it was Byrne & his contribution to the character that made him interesting enough as the loner-member of The X-Men to warrant the first mini-series.

Prior to Byrne, Cockrum liked/wanted to focus on Nightcrawler, which was his favourite.

so, if it wasn’t for Byrne’s contribution towards focus/evolution of Wolverine and his mysterious loner persona, I don’t think we would have even had the Claremont/Wolvie mini-series, right?  

Agreed; I read us saying pretty much the same thing. Byrne Claremont moved him center stage and flavored him. Claremont Miller fleshed out the rich details. Fully formed wolverine is very much an ensemble character.  He didnt come out of the gate fully formed.