J Bill Posted Thursday at 10:39 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:39 PM On 10/17/2024 at 5:08 PM, comicwiz said: When I posted about the CGC Rule, I had a very bad feeling (lets call it a premonition) about something like this happening. Glad to see you here @comicwiz! I appreciate your reminder about the CGC Rule, but this order is for 21 books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExNihilo Posted Thursday at 10:41 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:41 PM On 10/17/2024 at 3:34 PM, bc said: Here's the same graph for 9.9's thru September 2024. Don't know the banana ratio tho ... -bc those trend lines don't look suspicious at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bc Posted Thursday at 11:06 PM Popular Post Share Posted Thursday at 11:06 PM Just to show that it is not due to a natural increase in submissions If you look at all three graphs - something "changed" around February 2023: The monthly decrease in submissions becomes apparent to anyone with access to the numbers as a 6 month business trend Both the number (percent) of 10's & 9.9's increased dramatically even as the monthly submissions decreased Is there an event/offering/partnership we can correlate to the February 2023 timeframe (a.k.a. something obvious) or an internal reaction or business decision? -bc djzombi, brute_nm, ExNihilo and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted Thursday at 11:35 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:35 PM On 10/17/2024 at 3:26 PM, Dr. Balls said: however, there will be some people who say "Enough is enough." Eventually the latter will outnumber the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timed Posted Thursday at 11:36 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:36 PM On 10/17/2024 at 4:54 PM, bc said: Updated the chart with the September 2024 data. 653 more 10's added in Sept 24. Blue is actual, orange is 6 month moving average. -bc This looks like the chart of one of my penny stocks sd2416, DanJD and bc 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted Thursday at 11:39 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:39 PM (edited) Combined all three charts into one based on the 6 month moving average: -bc Edited Thursday at 11:40 PM by bc clarify jcjames, crazyhips and djzombi 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DanJD Posted Thursday at 11:43 PM Popular Post Share Posted Thursday at 11:43 PM On 10/17/2024 at 6:39 PM, bc said: Combined all three charts into one based on the 6 month moving average: -bc Timmay, buttock, bc and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homeboy32 Posted Friday at 12:07 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:07 AM On 10/16/2024 at 9:23 PM, CGC Mike said: I will pass this along, and mention that there is a census error with 2 books. Gee....thanks @CGC Mike. Thanks for "passing this along". And that will do what exactly? I don't believe this was a mistake. Really? TWO 9.9's in a single submission "accidentally" logged as 9.8's? If, by some small chance this is the case, what kind of Mickey Mouse operation is CGC running? A random Boardy has to post about a whopper "mistake" that was missed by CGC for it to be detected? Just like the community detected Swapgate and Bananagate and you "passed that along" too? You say these things just to throw everyone a bone, knowing full well it means nothing. Yea, you're just the messenger right? Sorry, not sorry. As far as I'm concerned, you're a part of this racket. This latest 9.9 submission is terrible. CGC = Enron 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joeypost Posted Friday at 12:31 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:31 AM On 10/17/2024 at 3:05 PM, 1Cool said: I've been watching Greegy post books that he recently got back and I don't think I've ever seen him get more than 1 for even a handful of submissions. That is a crazy amount of 9.9 books in a 500 copper age book order. I will also wait to pass judgement, as I have not seen the books in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan_W Posted Friday at 01:15 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:15 AM On 10/17/2024 at 8:31 PM, joeypost said: I will also wait to pass judgement, as I have not seen the books in question. I looked through the scans pretty carefully in prep for the video I did on this a few days ago, and the books themselves are gorgeous. The caveat is that it is tough to see minute differences (like between a 9.8 and 9.9) in a scan. I will say that when I looked through them the thought that crossed my mind is that it looked as though someone brought a stack of comics to a show or something and asked the grader to pull the best ones. Not saying that actually happened, but they are consistently awesome copies. BlowUpTheMoon, Brandon Shepherd and joeypost 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post comicwiz Posted Friday at 01:29 AM Popular Post Share Posted Friday at 01:29 AM On 10/17/2024 at 6:39 PM, J Bill said: Glad to see you here @comicwiz! I appreciate your reminder about the CGC Rule, but this order is for 21 books? 12 out of the 21 got 9.9's, I don't know of a way to look at this where the optics aren't troubling. Larryw7, jcjames, Badger and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WernerVonDoom Posted Friday at 01:34 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:34 AM What is CGC doing? They need to go back to basics. Crazy. 0r0d 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post comicwiz Posted Friday at 01:48 AM Popular Post Share Posted Friday at 01:48 AM (edited) In 2021, there were a series of record sales that occurred which allowed Marvel Universe, and other super-hero related trading cards (1991 Impel Deadpool promo comes to mind) to achieve a sudden and almost unexpected increase in submissions. In February 2021, I checked the PSA's population on Marvel Universe cards, and of the near 3000 submitted in a very short time (2,937 to be exact), 1.981 graded as 10's. That's roughly 67% of the population of cards graded being 10's. As one might expect, that market plummeted very soon after, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why. In this instance, what we see is someone batting at roughly 57% on the total 21 books, with 12 getting 9.9's. And like the exploding population of 10's we saw with PSA, and a general perception that it wasn't as hard to crack a 10, there is the added twist in this situation where several of the 9.9's are actually showing up as 9.8's on the census. I'm sure I'm not the only one seeing these occurrences as being troubling. Edited Friday at 01:48 AM by comicwiz Buzzetta, Larryw7, electricprune and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Cataldo Posted Friday at 01:56 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:56 AM On 10/17/2024 at 9:34 PM, WernerVonDoom said: What is CGC doing? They need to go back to basics. Crazy. They ARE going "back to basics." Money. Money. More and more money. That's been the bottom line from day one. Graded comics = Greed. djzombi, jcjames and Buzzetta 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan_W Posted Friday at 02:07 AM Share Posted Friday at 02:07 AM On 10/17/2024 at 9:48 PM, comicwiz said: In 2021, there were a series of record sales that occurred which allowed Marvel Universe, and other super-hero related trading cards (1991 Impel Deadpool promo comes to mind) to achieve a sudden and almost unexpected increase in submissions. In February 2021, I checked the PSA's population on Marvel Universe cards, and of the near 3000 submitted in a very short time (2,937 to be exact), 1.981 graded as 10's. That's roughly 67% of the population of cards graded being 10's. As one might expect, that market plummeted very soon after, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why. In this instance, what we see is someone batting at roughly 57% on the total 21 books, with 12 getting 9.9's. And like the exploding population of 10's we saw with PSA, and a general perception that it wasn't as hard to crack a 10, there is the added twist in this situation where several of the 9.9's are actually showing up as 9.8's on the census. I'm sure I'm not the only one seeing these occurrences as being troubling. There are definitely a lot of very valid concerns. The biggest red flags for me were the X-Men Annual 3 ( 1 of 2 hit) and the X-Men 174 9.9s that both the single highest graded copies of those books. The flag (for me) is that those books are barely worth grading with values of about a hundred bucks give or take even if they hit 9.8. grendel013, BlowUpTheMoon and skybolt 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timed Posted Friday at 02:54 AM Share Posted Friday at 02:54 AM On 10/17/2024 at 9:07 PM, Stefan_W said: There are definitely a lot of very valid concerns. The biggest red flags for me were the X-Men Annual 3 ( 1 of 2 hit) and the X-Men 174 9.9s that both the single highest graded copies of those books. The flag (for me) is that those books are barely worth grading with values of about a hundred bucks give or take even if they hit 9.8. Can you imagine sending in X-Men Annual 3's and X-Men 174's under high value/unlimited tier and not getting a 9.9? That would be crazy! djzombi, GeeksAreMyPeeps and brute_nm 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BlowUpTheMoon Posted Friday at 03:02 AM Popular Post Share Posted Friday at 03:02 AM On 10/17/2024 at 10:54 PM, Timed said: On 10/17/2024 at 10:07 PM, Stefan_W said: There are definitely a lot of very valid concerns. The biggest red flags for me were the X-Men Annual 3 ( 1 of 2 hit) and the X-Men 174 9.9s that both the single highest graded copies of those books. The flag (for me) is that those books are barely worth grading with values of about a hundred bucks give or take even if they hit 9.8. Can you imagine sending in X-Men Annual 3's and X-Men 174's under high value/unlimited tier and not getting a 9.9? That would be crazy! Is it possible that books got submitted under the normal tier then got bumped up to the high value/unlimited tier? RockMyAmadeus, 1Cool, Badger and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Bill Posted Friday at 03:03 AM Share Posted Friday at 03:03 AM (edited) On 10/17/2024 at 9:54 PM, Timed said: Can you imagine sending in X-Men Annual 3's and X-Men 174's under high value/unlimited tier and not getting a 9.9? That would be crazy! Definitely this. Why on earth would anyone be inclined to proactively submit these two common books under a higher level tier unless they had some data point that would lead them to do so? Edited Friday at 03:14 AM by J Bill brute_nm, skybolt and djzombi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Bill Posted Friday at 03:04 AM Share Posted Friday at 03:04 AM (edited) On 10/17/2024 at 10:02 PM, BlowUpTheMoon said: Is it possible that books got submitted under the normal tier then got bumped up to the high value/unlimited tier? I could be wrong here, but since this order was sent in as a mix of silver/bronze/copper, I think they would all have to be submitted under a higher level tier? Anything else and they'd have to be separate orders. Edited Friday at 03:14 AM by J Bill GeeksAreMyPeeps and brute_nm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
