showcase4 Posted December 3, 2006 Author Share Posted December 3, 2006 I'm surprised everyone thought this one was so easy, although I did think most people would probably choose the Action 1. As soon as you posted it, I knew it would be a shut out. Action 1 - 10 / All Star 3 - 0. If you think about it, there are over 600,000 different comic books ( not total number printed, number of different issues ), and Action 1 is number 1 of them all. #1 out of 600,000 !!! ( I'm getting excited because I'm seriously considering selling some books that were going to be keepers ( you know how that goes) to help fund the purchase of an Action 1 and Tec 27 within the next year or two, as they become available --upper end of low grade, unrestored ( suprise suprise) and nice looking will be my criteria) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciorac Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Mile High Adventure and Action 1. No doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Recent manipulation is "posssible" as I use it in my frame of reference, but I want to think it's unlikely. The quality of such books I think attract quality collectors. Some of the Nationals are reliably rumored to have been "improved." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelhelmet Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Hi Adam, the point of my last post was to illustrate that while books like this are in the hands of true collectors like Jon Berk they will not be improved. If these same books are transferred to a like-minded collector as Jon Berk, they books will stay that way. If not, then it's possible that some of the " less perfect" books will be "improved".I noticed that you said "some" of the Nationals have been improved.Why haven't all of them been reliably rumored to have been improved? Is it perhaps because some of them are not candidates for improvement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Hi Adam, the point of my last post was to illustrate that while books like this are in the hands of true collectors like Jon Berk they will not be improved. If these same books are transferred to a like-minded collector as Jon Berk, they books will stay that way. If not, then it's possible that some of the " less perfect" books will be "improved".I noticed that you said "some" of the Nationals have been improved.Why haven't all of them been reliably rumored to have been improved? Is it perhaps because some of them are not candidates for improvement? I don't have the details on a book by book basis so I can't provide any more reliable rumors that what I stated. But I'd be happy to make up some unreliable rumors if you'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiverbones Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 action 1, even though all star has a better cover... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashrael Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Motion 41 (much cooler cover) Adventure 39 (ditto) Action 1 (the grail!) So it seems that Detective 27 and Action 1 always win when put up against others. Time to ban those from this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase4 Posted December 4, 2006 Author Share Posted December 4, 2006 So it seems that Detective 27 and Action 1 always win when put up against others. Time to ban those from this thread? Let's match 'em up against each other for the 1st time in this thread...(.I think) Both sold several years ago for approx. $48,000. Which Grail would you choose? Action 1 graders notes: "small donor piece added to 1st wrap with tape" ........................or I'll weigh in after you guys on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedarkknight Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 DETECTIVE COMICS 27. Of course, I'm a Batman nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 'Tec 27 on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedude Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I would usually say the Action #1, but that's alot of tape on that spine, and the Tec, looks nicer, even with the missing chunk, so I'd take the 'Tec, and maybe sell it to get me an equally nice Action #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
october Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Tec 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 hello all... believe it or not, I would take the action 1, simply cuz I already have the tec 27 ....if I had neither, then tec 27 all the way rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filter81 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Depending on what the qualifier on the label says, I'd probably take the Action 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase4 Posted December 4, 2006 Author Share Posted December 4, 2006 Depending on what the qualifier on the label says, I'd probably take the Action 1. qualifier: "small donor piece added to 1st wrap with tape" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filter81 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I'd either cut that piece out or I'd take the 'Tec 27 in that case. Even if its one piece thats still slight resto in my opinion, making the 'Tec 27 the more desirable book in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiverbones Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 tec27 cuz bats is better then supes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciorac Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 So it seems that Detective 27 and Action 1 always win when put up against others. Time to ban those from this thread? Let's match 'em up against each other for the 1st time in this thread...(.I think) Both sold several years ago for approx. $48,000. Which Grail would you choose? Action 1 graders notes: "small donor piece added to 1st wrap with tape" ........................or I'll weigh in after you guys on this one Time for a I'd pass on both for the price. Here is why. As many of you know, I am a devout slab cracker. After cracking dozens of these things, here is what I have learned: As it relates to page quality - If the label says - WHITE pages ----- expect Off-white (in some cases- cream to off-white. If the label says - Off-White to WHITE pages --- expect Cream to Off-White or Cream If the label says - Cream to Off-white -- Expect them to be slightly brittle and tan Anything else -- back away from the book Since both of these books have "cream to off-white" on the label, and the bottom left corner of the Tec 27 looks brittle, along with its tan exposed corner, I'd pass. Now that begs the question, do the holders cause rapid page deterioration? Or do I just have a different interpretation of white, off-white, etc pages are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedude Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 (edited) Time for a I'd pass on both for the price. Here is why. As many of you know, I am a devout slab cracker. After cracking dozens of these things, here is what I have learned: As it relates to page quality - If the label says - WHITE pages ----- expect Off-white (in some cases- cream to off-white. If the label says - Off-White to WHITE pages --- expect Cream to Off-White or Cream If the label says - Cream to Off-white -- Expect them to be slightly brittle and tan Anything else -- back away from the book Since both of these books have "cream to off-white" on the label, and the bottom left corner of the Tec 27 looks brittle, along with its tan exposed corner, I'd pass. Now that begs the question, do the holders cause rapid page deterioration? Or do I just have a different interpretation of white, off-white, etc pages are? for the few GA books I've submitted myself, I've found that CGC has been pretty much dead on, when designating PQ, I haven't cracked out any books that have been graded, so I can only speak for the raw books that I've checked out myself and then sent to CGC. perhaps they are more lenient on higher dollar books such as these. Edited December 4, 2006 by thedude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase4 Posted December 4, 2006 Author Share Posted December 4, 2006 do the holders cause rapid page deterioration? Or do I just have a different interpretation of white, off-white, etc pages are? Bill, I think both you and I have a different interpretation of color page than CGC on certain/most books. I had a Famous Funnies #1 that I KNOW had text book definition, undisputable light cream/cream pages and it came back as off-white....I almost fell off my chair! This has happened many times with me, so I know its not a fluke. You would think accurately nailing down color page would be the easiest part of grading...much simpler than resto detection and assigning a technical grade. It works for you if you are going to sell, but you have to be careful if you are looking to buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
