Straw-Man Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Although not a war cover (which is my focus), I have sought after this Lou Fine classic for a long time. I'm fairly certain this isn't Lou Fine. Probably Edd Ashe or Alex Kotzky, or whoever took over after the Eisner shop & Fox parted ways. Still a great book though! Thanks, I love it. GCD credits Lou Fine for the cover and 5 of the stories. Ill crack it open tonight and see what the book says itself. It contians reprints of a number of Wonderworld 1939 stories. the cut-off date for the 'good' artists is 7/40--BUT there are two limbo books, flame 1 and green mask 1 which are simply noted as 'summer.' here're my flame 1 and gm 1, both of which cgc labels as fine covers. i think the green mask depiction is fine's probably scavenged from another book, tho' the background characters look to be drawn possibly by the same guy that did the same work on the flame. it's clear to me the flame himself on the flame 1 is fine's work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buttock Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 the cut-off date for the 'good' artists is 7/40--BUT there are two limbo books, flame 1 and green mask 1 which are simply noted as 'summer.' here're my flame 1 and gm 1, both of which cgc labels as fine covers. i think the green mask depiction is fine's probably scavenged from another book, tho' the background characters look to be drawn possibly by the same guy that did the same work on the flame. it's clear to me the flame himself on the flame 1 is fine's work. A few things that will probably convince you otherwise, Billy: (a) Find another Lou Fine drawn book with the same shading beneath the Flame's arm. I'll bet you can't. (b) Now look at Wonderworld 21 - it's exactly the same. That's probably an Edd Ashe cover. © Look at the flames coming out of the gun. See how they're very liquid or gassy appearing? That's not Fine either (cf. Wonderworld 7 - that's the way Fine tended to draw the flames from the gun) (d) Fine had a great feel for muscular anatomy, but never drew his heroes bulky. They were "ropy" if anything. The Flame looks bulky on this cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardo Numspar Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 the cut-off date for the 'good' artists is 7/40--BUT there are two limbo books, flame 1 and green mask 1 which are simply noted as 'summer.' here're my flame 1 and gm 1, both of which cgc labels as fine covers. i think the green mask depiction is fine's probably scavenged from another book, tho' the background characters look to be drawn possibly by the same guy that did the same work on the flame. it's clear to me the flame himself on the flame 1 is fine's work. A few things that will probably convince you otherwise, Billy: (a) Find another Lou Fine drawn book with the same shading beneath the Flame's arm. I'll bet you can't. (b) Now look at Wonderworld 21 - it's exactly the same. That's probably an Edd Ashe cover. © Look at the flames coming out of the gun. See how they're very liquid or gassy appearing? That's not Fine either (cf. Wonderworld 7 - that's the way Fine tended to draw the flames from the gun) (d) Fine had a great feel for muscular anatomy, but never drew his heroes bulky. They were "ropy" if anything. The Flame looks bulky on this cover. Very convincing tidbits. You know your Fox artists. It would be very interesting if Fine did not actually draw the Flame 1 cover since many consider it a classic Fine cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttock Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 the cut-off date for the 'good' artists is 7/40--BUT there are two limbo books, flame 1 and green mask 1 which are simply noted as 'summer.' here're my flame 1 and gm 1, both of which cgc labels as fine covers. i think the green mask depiction is fine's probably scavenged from another book, tho' the background characters look to be drawn possibly by the same guy that did the same work on the flame. it's clear to me the flame himself on the flame 1 is fine's work. A few things that will probably convince you otherwise, Billy: (a) Find another Lou Fine drawn book with the same shading beneath the Flame's arm. I'll bet you can't. (b) Now look at Wonderworld 21 - it's exactly the same. That's probably an Edd Ashe cover. © Look at the flames coming out of the gun. See how they're very liquid or gassy appearing? That's not Fine either (cf. Wonderworld 7 - that's the way Fine tended to draw the flames from the gun) (d) Fine had a great feel for muscular anatomy, but never drew his heroes bulky. They were "ropy" if anything. The Flame looks bulky on this cover. Very convincing tidbits. You know your Fox artists. It would be very interesting if Fine did not actually draw the Flame 1 cover since many consider it a classic Fine cover. They had so many great artists - it's unfortunate that many of them had to follow Fine & Eisner as they sort of pale in comparison, but they're nothing to kick out of bed for eating crackers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquirecomics Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Although not a war cover (which is my focus), I have sought after this Lou Fine classic for a long time. I'm fairly certain this isn't Lou Fine. Probably Edd Ashe or Alex Kotzky, or whoever took over after the Eisner shop & Fox parted ways. Still a great book though! Thanks, I love it. GCD credits Lou Fine for the cover and 5 of the stories. Ill crack it open tonight and see what the book says itself. It contians reprints of a number of Wonderworld 1939 stories. the cut-off date for the 'good' artists is 7/40--BUT there are two limbo books, flame 1 and green mask 1 which are simply noted as 'summer.' here're my flame 1 and gm 1, both of which cgc labels as fine covers. i think the green mask depiction is fine's probably scavenged from another book, tho' the background characters look to be drawn possibly by the same guy that did the same work on the flame. it's clear to me the flame himself on the flame 1 is fine's work. Actually CGC just labels the Flame issue as "Lou Fine art", not the cover. Is there any question as to whether there is Fine art at all within the book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttock Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Although not a war cover (which is my focus), I have sought after this Lou Fine classic for a long time. I'm fairly certain this isn't Lou Fine. Probably Edd Ashe or Alex Kotzky, or whoever took over after the Eisner shop & Fox parted ways. Still a great book though! Thanks, I love it. GCD credits Lou Fine for the cover and 5 of the stories. Ill crack it open tonight and see what the book says itself. It contians reprints of a number of Wonderworld 1939 stories. the cut-off date for the 'good' artists is 7/40--BUT there are two limbo books, flame 1 and green mask 1 which are simply noted as 'summer.' here're my flame 1 and gm 1, both of which cgc labels as fine covers. i think the green mask depiction is fine's probably scavenged from another book, tho' the background characters look to be drawn possibly by the same guy that did the same work on the flame. it's clear to me the flame himself on the flame 1 is fine's work. Actually CGC just labels the Flame issue as "Lou Fine art", not the cover. Is there any question as to whether there is Fine art at all within the book? And Green Mask 1 isn't a Fine cover either. I wouldn't trust CGC on anything listed on the label like that. It's probably some trained chimp copying out of Overstreet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Although not a war cover (which is my focus), I have sought after this Lou Fine classic for a long time. I'm fairly certain this isn't Lou Fine. Probably Edd Ashe or Alex Kotzky, or whoever took over after the Eisner shop & Fox parted ways. Still a great book though! Thanks, I love it. GCD credits Lou Fine for the cover and 5 of the stories. Ill crack it open tonight and see what the book says itself. It contians reprints of a number of Wonderworld 1939 stories. I never considered flame 1 to be a fine cover, but I always assumed it was, like parker did...but, now that I really look at it, I would lean towards "not" the cut-off date for the 'good' artists is 7/40--BUT there are two limbo books, flame 1 and green mask 1 which are simply noted as 'summer.' here're my flame 1 and gm 1, both of which cgc labels as fine covers. i think the green mask depiction is fine's probably scavenged from another book, tho' the background characters look to be drawn possibly by the same guy that did the same work on the flame. it's clear to me the flame himself on the flame 1 is fine's work. Actually CGC just labels the Flame issue as "Lou Fine art", not the cover. Is there any question as to whether there is Fine art at all within the book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straw-Man Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Although not a war cover (which is my focus), I have sought after this Lou Fine classic for a long time. I'm fairly certain this isn't Lou Fine. Probably Edd Ashe or Alex Kotzky, or whoever took over after the Eisner shop & Fox parted ways. Still a great book though! Thanks, I love it. GCD credits Lou Fine for the cover and 5 of the stories. Ill crack it open tonight and see what the book says itself. It contians reprints of a number of Wonderworld 1939 stories. I never considered flame 1 to be a fine cover, but I always assumed it was, like parker did...but, now that I really look at it, I would lean towards "not" the cut-off date for the 'good' artists is 7/40--BUT there are two limbo books, flame 1 and green mask 1 which are simply noted as 'summer.' here're my flame 1 and gm 1, both of which cgc labels as fine covers. i think the green mask depiction is fine's probably scavenged from another book, tho' the background characters look to be drawn possibly by the same guy that did the same work on the flame. it's clear to me the flame himself on the flame 1 is fine's work. Actually CGC just labels the Flame issue as "Lou Fine art", not the cover. Is there any question as to whether there is Fine art at all within the book? good info; but i think they scavenged the flame's head off wonderworld 7. and since he was a thinking man's s'hero, that makes if fine's flame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 the cut-off date for the 'good' artists is 7/40--BUT there are two limbo books, flame 1 and green mask 1 which are simply noted as 'summer.' here're my flame 1 and gm 1, both of which cgc labels as fine covers. i think the green mask depiction is fine's probably scavenged from another book, tho' the background characters look to be drawn possibly by the same guy that did the same work on the flame. it's clear to me the flame himself on the flame 1 is fine's work. A few things that will probably convince you otherwise, Billy: (a) Find another Lou Fine drawn book with the same shading beneath the Flame's arm. I'll bet you can't. (b) Now look at Wonderworld 21 - it's exactly the same. That's probably an Edd Ashe cover. © Look at the flames coming out of the gun. See how they're very liquid or gassy appearing? That's not Fine either (cf. Wonderworld 7 - that's the way Fine tended to draw the flames from the gun) (d) Fine had a great feel for muscular anatomy, but never drew his heroes bulky. They were "ropy" if anything. The Flame looks bulky on this cover. The Flame figure is very clearly based on/swiped from WW7, where Fine did draw a bulky arm. The inking on the back of the arm is clearly a change but other aspects line up closely/exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttock Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 the cut-off date for the 'good' artists is 7/40--BUT there are two limbo books, flame 1 and green mask 1 which are simply noted as 'summer.' here're my flame 1 and gm 1, both of which cgc labels as fine covers. i think the green mask depiction is fine's probably scavenged from another book, tho' the background characters look to be drawn possibly by the same guy that did the same work on the flame. it's clear to me the flame himself on the flame 1 is fine's work. A few things that will probably convince you otherwise, Billy: (a) Find another Lou Fine drawn book with the same shading beneath the Flame's arm. I'll bet you can't. (b) Now look at Wonderworld 21 - it's exactly the same. That's probably an Edd Ashe cover. © Look at the flames coming out of the gun. See how they're very liquid or gassy appearing? That's not Fine either (cf. Wonderworld 7 - that's the way Fine tended to draw the flames from the gun) (d) Fine had a great feel for muscular anatomy, but never drew his heroes bulky. They were "ropy" if anything. The Flame looks bulky on this cover. The Flame figure is very clearly based on/swiped from WW7, where Fine did draw a bulky arm. The inking on the back of the arm is clearly a change but other aspects line up closely/exactly. My understanding of WW7 is that it was Fine over Eisner, thus the bulk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 the cut-off date for the 'good' artists is 7/40--BUT there are two limbo books, flame 1 and green mask 1 which are simply noted as 'summer.' here're my flame 1 and gm 1, both of which cgc labels as fine covers. i think the green mask depiction is fine's probably scavenged from another book, tho' the background characters look to be drawn possibly by the same guy that did the same work on the flame. it's clear to me the flame himself on the flame 1 is fine's work. A few things that will probably convince you otherwise, Billy: (a) Find another Lou Fine drawn book with the same shading beneath the Flame's arm. I'll bet you can't. (b) Now look at Wonderworld 21 - it's exactly the same. That's probably an Edd Ashe cover. © Look at the flames coming out of the gun. See how they're very liquid or gassy appearing? That's not Fine either (cf. Wonderworld 7 - that's the way Fine tended to draw the flames from the gun) (d) Fine had a great feel for muscular anatomy, but never drew his heroes bulky. They were "ropy" if anything. The Flame looks bulky on this cover. The Flame figure is very clearly based on/swiped from WW7, where Fine did draw a bulky arm. The inking on the back of the arm is clearly a change but other aspects line up closely/exactly. My understanding of WW7 is that it was Fine over Eisner, thus the bulk. Hard to say. There are times when Fine inked Eisner (Planet 1) but in other cases he laid out the design and then may have touched up or advised Fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seank Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I have returned from a temprary collecting hiatus due to the purchase of a new home and preparation for the birth of my first child (due in August). I picked up these gems (at least IMO) over the weekend: Although not a war cover (which is my focus), I have sought after this Lou Fine classic for a long time. My first Fight. This book is gorgeous. Fun book. Low grade. Price was right. Last but not least, gotta love it When you get tired of that Fight 40, see my sig file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardo Numspar Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I have returned from a temprary collecting hiatus due to the purchase of a new home and preparation for the birth of my first child (due in August). I picked up these gems (at least IMO) over the weekend: Although not a war cover (which is my focus), I have sought after this Lou Fine classic for a long time. My first Fight. This book is gorgeous. Fun book. Low grade. Price was right. Last but not least, gotta love it When you get tired of that Fight 40, see my sig file. Ill keep that in mind, but it will be a long time before I tire of that book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kryptonitecomics Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 thanks go to a boardie for this sweet upgrade on a favorite cover of mine, and a neat little book for my l.b. cole subset. I think you will love the books....that bingo was the first blank back I ever owned (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiveTurkeyMoFo Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I have returned from a temprary collecting hiatus due to the purchase of a new home and preparation for the birth of my first child (due in August). I picked up these gems (at least IMO) over the weekend: Although not a war cover (which is my focus), I have sought after this Lou Fine classic for a long time. My first Fight. This book is gorgeous. Fun book. Low grade. Price was right. Last but not least, gotta love it When you get tired of that Fight 40, see my sig file. Ill keep that in mind, but it will be a long time before I tire of that book May I ask, what's the approximate grade on the Fight? And no, I'm not asking cause I want one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardo Numspar Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) I have returned from a temprary collecting hiatus due to the purchase of a new home and preparation for the birth of my first child (due in August). I picked up these gems (at least IMO) over the weekend: Although not a war cover (which is my focus), I have sought after this Lou Fine classic for a long time. My first Fight. This book is gorgeous. Fun book. Low grade. Price was right. Last but not least, gotta love it When you get tired of that Fight 40, see my sig file. Ill keep that in mind, but it will be a long time before I tire of that book May I ask, what's the approximate grade on the Fight? And no, I'm not asking cause I want one... I think 8.0 - 8.5. Cover condition looks very close to yours. However, the page quality on mine is probably cream - off white. The page cut is intersting on mine compared to yours - look at the elbow. Edited June 9, 2009 by Sardo Numspar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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seank Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 My first Fight. This book is gorgeous. When you get tired of that Fight 40, see my sig file. Ill keep that in mind, but it will be a long time before I tire of that book May I ask, what's the approximate grade on the Fight? And no, I'm not asking cause I want one... When you get tired of that Fight 40, see my sig file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerKid Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 kryptonitecomics posted this one a while back and I admired it. Luckily for me, when he decided to let it go, he remembered our conversation and offered me the book It arrived today. It's the Crowley copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
