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Didn't you just prove my point with some? Zero chance you can stop micro-trimming consistently with out the help of maybe AI. I have no proof it is still happening and I hope to God it is not, but there stopping a professional seems impossible unlike this current scandal at the CGC level.

totally agree

IDK I am sure your life-long skills in the hobby would have sniffed it out.

Right, but I think he was referring to more getting it by buyers via sales.

It was I give him that. Yes I mean it wouldn't surprise me if they gotten it past some collectors for sure, but again who knows the real number.

You mean the video that showed with the heat gun and how easy it was for even a novice to spot it was tampered with? That one?

Umm yeah I will be there starting Friday. Anymore questions just PM me because I dont want to the "sky is falling" boardies here to think we are bringing some fun & sunshine to their stormy mind to derail this thread.

He is going to miss cocktail hour? boooooooo

You keep coming back to doom and gloom and how your collecting life is over, which most think is silly.

There are always scams in anything in life that money is involved 24/7.

@greggy Hello Greggy! You coming to soCal con with Joey in a couple weeks?

Correct if social media was around back then like it is now. OMG this thread would be up to 1000+ pages. Every week for 4-7 years that thread was going and going. Plus there were numerous other threads started weekly besides the main one. It was nuts.

Because you can stop this but you cant stop a Jason Ewert type with the same level of protocols and safeguards. Maybe with AI? Many buyers/sellers left after COVID and when interest rates went up.

I get it, and to be honest none of us no the answer and may never. It would take a lot more capital though to try the bigger books. I mean he or they aint doing it with an Action Comics #1. There is a reason they choose ASM copper books because they are common and to CGC are basically $1 books. Reholdering an ASM 300 is not the same as a real expensive book. I mean they possibly tried, but jury is still out on the vintage (AF 15 signed), but when you look at the list it mostly common books that everyone in their mothers owns 10 copies of. I mean heck I have now 20 copies of ASM 300 raw. The problem I have here is some are suggesting the holder is super easy to crack open this scandal is widespread, but yet there isnt one video showing just how easy it is too. This was the easiest scam to have never had happened in the history of CGC. Loophole is now closed or new protocols I am sure are in place. Whether it was a group or it so many more books effected is all speculation at this point wouldnt you agree?

I mean that's anything in life.

Sounds logical to me.

So I guess we are carrying this thread into the New Year I see

Most of the general public doesn't now or is too busy to take the time to be truly informed of what is currently going on (same with current events & politics). I talked to numerous comic friends who are a mix of raw and CGC collectors, most are just too busy to really care is the vibe I get. You were around back in the Ewert scandal I assuming right? That didn't effect anything long-term, and that was way more scandalous than this. I am not downplaying what this scumbag(s) did, and I glad it has come into the light of day, but it really won't have much of an impact on the overall comic market. I am with you though that I am curious how the big Heritage books do, but from what I am hearing there is more excitement than trepidation. I mean even on my small selling level, my eBay sales to start the year were well above what I thought, so we shall see. In 2024 the Federal Reserve interest rates and Kevin Feige/James Gunn will have will more of an impact on the market prices than this. Same people that love buying CGC will mostly continue, and the same people that are anti-CGC/slab culture will keep buying raw. Rinse and repeat till we are old and have to sell it all anyway because we all die with nothing and our bank accounts go back to zero.

Every book on the list or all CGC slabs ever graded since 2000?

I am not a shareholder of Blackstone nor do I work for the company so no unfortunately I am not entitled. I dont' need a play play from them. I am sure sometime in the near future CGC will make another announcement on the cliff notes of the current state of how this situation is being handled, and that's it. I have no connection to my knowledge to any of the books or people supposedly involved. Yes, I only sell graded slabs as my main income. Scanning books as we speak. I sell tamper-free CGC books since 2009! Come take a look.

Hmmmm I get why people would want that. Just not sure in reality that would happen. I get more of the strike-though the old serial number and leave it on the list, but I think where it would get dicey is new making the correctly graded book now have a new list. Basically creating a new tainted list on books that are now in effect pure again. See what I mean?

Well thank you. I am not at the company. I have no idea what they are or not doing, but I know I am not entitled to any of that information unless I could help with investigation directly. Even then giving CGC a name or evidence would probably just stop there. Doubt anyone who calls in gets anymore information past what they are telling the fraud investigator.

Okay so from what you just said it sounds like CGC is doing an investigation. Right, and after that it will all be internal till maybe you see the final results.

Did you tell CGC who you think he is?

I am just getting caught up have you named who the scammer is here earlier? Pretty sure they said that in their last statement. They were in fact starting a investigation.