JWKyle

To the OP take your time. Learn a process that works for you. Don't just send in 50 books for pressing and grading them come back and tell us how CGC can't grade. Send it 5-10 books for pressing and grading learn for yourself what can be improved and take notes. Estimate what your grade would be and what you think the page quality is and so fourth. Write it all down in a note book because by the time you get the books back your going to forget what you thought and if you have it in writing you can compare your notes to theirs.  

If I wanted to know if a book was pressed I would PM it to the seller. 

On another pressing note I would love to hear a press release by CGC that any signs of a bad press will be factored in on the end grade and will be listed in on the grading notes. CGC has been doing this for a long time now and for sure can see a book that has been badly pressed and hammer it to the hills. 

On 5/27/2019 at 7:36 PM, JWKyle said:

 

Ebay Auction for the 457 Neal Adams sketch 2nd prt Newsstand

This book is getting up there a bit. Just curious sure someone would know better but what's the going rate for the sketching and signature on the book, $500 or so?

2 hours ago, Unstoppablejayd said:

I just made a fairly sizable purchase on EBAY today and did not Realize NJ is now a tax state... UGH.. That sucks, back to in person shows and deals for me..

I've been doing more shows too and having more fun then beating the Ebay bush. 

1 hour ago, DavidTheDavid said:

FWIW I will buy books from certain people who I think overgrade because they consistently overgrade and the price is right. As long as there’s consistency, I know what to expect and don’t get disappointed. 

This is so true I have some saved Ebay seller where in the description I saved a note OVERGRADES but yes you can still get pretty solid deals on people who overgrade. The ones I really love are the UNDERGRADES guess which list is bigger 

@LordRahl Sorry for the destruction of the book. I wonder what days these books showing SCS were graded if it's a date range sort of thing. Makes you wonder if CGC has someone new on the inner wells where they're leaving to much play between the sides of the book and the sides of the wells 

3 hours ago, moemaya said:

 

Anyone else have a similar experience?

Yes I have had similar experiences. Ebay is riddled with sellers who over grade their books. 

I could go with the Wolverine mini the Hawkeye mini , Punisher mini but when I read this i really really like it.  

@F For Fake I've posted some opinions in this thread but none of the books pictured are mine. I've had about 75 CGC books come in this year from all over the place . Whether it's directly from CGC or bought from a independent seller I haven't had a problem. Keep in mind SCS has always been a problem and in all honesty it doesn't hurt to bring it up every once in a while. This thread could act as a wake up call for CGC to tighten up the process of books going through the slabbing and shipping department.

12 minutes ago, thehumantorch said:

Kinda the opposite.  I was expecting a porndog or a dealer but it was a nice young man.  

He was buying them for his father in-law for his birthday as his father in-law used to collect Playboys and he said ' it's either this or a lawnmower'...........

Nope I like the story about him giving them to his teenage kid to mow the lawn. Go with that story

4 hours ago, SSuperman said:

The only proof I need is right here in this thread indicated in the pictures provided.

The pictures in this thread are not showing any damage caused by the sealing process CGC uses to seal the inner wells. The damage these books are showing are from SCS (shaken comic syndrome). SCS is caused when a book is encapsulated and then is abused in some sort of fashion whether it's rough shipping to falling off a wall display from a dealer , could be just about anything that causes a sudden stop to the slab where the book in the well is still moving until it impact the side of the inner well with force. 

If your saying the sealing process also damages books I think everyone would be more then interested in seeing those pictures. 

11 hours ago, jimbo_7071 said:

 

Back in the 80s I paid Susan Ciccone to repair a tear on a book—different attitudes about restoration prevailed back then—and I believe she cleaned and pressed the cover afterward, if I remember what she told me correctly. I've never requested that a book be pressed.

 

Susan did a interview with Vinny from Metropolis back in the mid 2000's. When she talked about pressing she talked about disassembly and restoration type pressing. I'm not sure she was even aware of the whole book press for CGC grades bumps at the time. I do think some people do get too aggressive or use improper methods all the time and books are more harmed then improved. But a nicely and properly pressed book is darn near undetectable . 

If anything when a thread reaches 15 to 20 pages maybe shut it down and start a new one. I'm getting older and it's hard to follow the 40 to 50 page mega threads 

11 minutes ago, VintageComics said:

The books are properly secured. They just move within the well and the only way to prevent that is to apply more pressure on the book - something that did NOT go over well 3 years ago when they introduced their new slab. It was affecting books and so they reverted to the old style inner well again.

 

The books do not need to have more pressure at all to tighten up a book in the inner well the book should not have an 8th of an inch gap in any direction top/bottom ,left/right that it can slam around in the well. This space can and should be tighten up with the shims and wouldn't add anymore pressure on the book. It would just cut the gaps of the book to the side of the well. Also the non recessed wells don't have this problem but then again this well is the one that seems to produce books not straight in the slabs.

You seem to keep bringing up the old creep engine slab that has nothing to do with the recessed well and books having to much room to be slammed around in. 

Just now, Spidey 62 said:

Errrrr, what? Sounds like a story. 

No not much of a story it was a 9.2/9.4 book in a 9.6 slab and i got it for a super fair price at the time. When CGC had the creep engine slab I started transferring everything over to CBCS because CGC was evil ( I over reacted) I realized although CBCS could grade the hell out of a book and their  grading was usually even tighter then CGC on average. The slab could be opened with a 25 cent bottle opener and the well and label were open to whatever shenanigans someone wanted to pull and could be closed back up without knowing it had been tampered with. So I came back to CGC and this book is what it is a 9.2/9.4 book in a 9.2 slab.

I bought this years ago from Ed Roberts it went from a CGC 9.6 to a CBCS 9.0 to a CGC 9.2 where it's going to stay at. 

On 4/11/2019 at 10:21 PM, RockMyAmadeus said:

not $5,000. Why they got Neal to sketch on it, I have no idea. Really detracts from this book.

I wonder if this is one of the copies that had the black line going through the upc so they had it sketched on to cover that up? Anyway looks like it's up for auction wonder what it ends at.

Ebay Auction for the 457 Neal Adams sketch 2nd prt Newsstand

5 hours ago, VintageComics said:

 

What we have right now might be the best iteration possible - so far.

I agree with you 100% the product is visually and structurally appealing. If you take a CGC, CBCS and pgx and hand a non comic collector person a slab of each I would be surprised if most people didn't prefer the CGC slab. With that being said I think for the prices to have a book graded it should receive the time to make sure it's properly secured in the well. And the outer shell is put into place without crushing the lower portion of the book. 

I looked at your pictures and all I see is all that open space in the well that book has to slam into the open areas to protect the corners from damage. I'm not sure about the rest of your invoice but that book looks to have SCS. CGC needs to do some QC work in the encapsulating department. If a book is shipped roughly with this kind of space in the wells there is going to be damage from the book slamming into the hard edges of the well.

10 minutes ago, VintageComics said:

There are different types of inner wells.

Those shims (or wedges) are never used on the type of inner wells that the damage is being reported on in this thread.

Not sure if you saw this pic a page or so back but this does have the shims and show the damage so I would think this is shipping damage although it's hard to tell without more pictures or the book in hand. 

I do agree with you though @VintageComics not too big of a fan of the non- recessed inner wells. 

15 minutes ago, bronze johnny said:

It's only a question. Not making any comments. In a separate section on restoration because there are great boardies that may not get to CG. Sharing on CG to get opinions on this. No ulterior motive - just a question regarding the label.

I never thought there was anything other then a request for a tweak in a service request. It would also go without being said a 9.2/9.4 book stating it was never pressed would more then likely sale for more then a book in the same grade with the pressing history unknown. You said these where newsstand copies I for one would think you would have a better chance of trying to change the fact CGC doesn't list newsstands on "Most" labels then the pressing history of a book.

CGC has to tools to make this less of a problem I showed a new slab with a shim on the bottom to show shims fit into the new cases. I think a lot of these pictures being shown are because the books were not slabbed the best. The shims are really important to keep the book from moving in the inner well. I would like to see more pictures of the Hulk 377 because it does look like it had a shim in it. I think this it a 2 fold problem lack of books being secured properly in the inner wells and improper packing and shipping. CGC can fix the book in the well problems by taking a little more time to insure it's done better. The shipping can made better by trying to pack more securely. I've never received a damaged slab from Mycomicshop in the mail and there's a reason why.

First off wasn't the best idea to spam the boards in three different sections looking for an answer the threads may get pulled. Second this would have probably would have been handled better in e-mail or over the phone.

I will say though it doesn't hurt to request a change the only way something is going to change if they are seeing a demand for a change. 

2 months is way to long for a CGC return. If the slab is received and the book and the slab are in acceptable/described condition then that should be the end of the transaction. As for the registry points for a book that is also easily resolved you contact CGC directly and show proof of ownership and that should be the end of it . The only thing that would constitute a refund after this amount of time if the original owner is stating the book was stolen and a dealer sold the book unknowingly that it was stolen.

If this was the case then of course there is a issue and isn't going to be cookie cutter resolved.