Wayne-Tec

1 hour ago, woowoo said:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ACTION-COMICS-1-FIRST-APPEARANCE-OF-SUPERMAN-UNIVERSAL-UNRESTORED-HOLY-GRAIL/192904469028?hash=item2cea009a24:g:vxoAAOSwYItcyTZk

Is it unreasonable to think that’s a $100,000+ book?

4 hours ago, woowoo said:

And to think you have Bruce's  last name  and Wayne Tec for Detective could have fooled me after this comment

I’ve got to be fair.

These pages are climbing up:

Page 1 is at $7,200.

Page 2 is at $7,700.

Page 3 is at $7,000.

I think page 2 may be pulling away from the pack. 1st Batman in costume and some of the best art from the issue.

4 hours ago, Gotham Kid said:

restored section

I saw this recently. Thank you. 

3 hours ago, JollyComics said:

Almost three years....I can feel your pain and share my pain with you.  My beloved Detective Comics #402 CGC 9.6 White pages is still missing over four years. I consigned with Clink. It was mailed through USPS. Never arrived and never found. I sometimes think about it.

That’s awful. I feel for your man.

I think about my Action Comics #1 page every single day. 

5 hours ago, Superman2006 said:

But Tec #27 is the first book with Batman content, whereas Superman #1 isn't close to the first book with Superman content (it follows Action 1, 2, 3, 4...). Sure, while it is mostly reprint material, it does have a cool extended origin, and cool cover, and a #1 on the cover, but Tec #33 isn't anywhere near as valuable as Tec #27...  Supes #1 is a great book, but if resale value wasn't a factor, I'd pick a number of other GA giants ahead of it (still top 10 obviously, but not as high as current FMV would place it). Just my opinion of course, and I can totally understand others that feel otherwise...

There are no right or wrong takes here.

Simply pointing out that flaw in saying that Superman #1’s reprinted material is a reason for it not to be a Top-3 book when the #2 book in our hobby has the same amount of original superhero content (less if you include Superman #1’s text story).

10 hours ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

Agree w top 4, just from sales POV. Still don’t understand the reverence for Sup 1, which is a reprint book, but the market has spoken. 

Id go w Cap 1 over MC 1

Did you know that Superman #1 has just as much original Superman content as Detective Comics #27 has original Batman content?

Do you think most GA collectors know that?

When that is taken into consideration, do you really feel reprinted Action #1-4 material is “less desirable” than original Zatara of Slam Bradley material?

Food for thought.

Detective Comics #38 is one of the most important comic books ever published.

Key GA books have been undervalued for a long time.

9 hours ago, Hollywood1892 said:

That's sad man.

Incredibly.

1 hour ago, aszumilo said:

I've been keeping an eye out for it, but, haven't seen anything.  Still looking,

Thank you. 

Predictions for the Action #1 at auction? 

LINK

It's been nearly 3 years since my Action Comics #1 page went missing/stolen.

Has anyone seen it resurface?

I think about this page every day. 

Does anyone know how CGC determines which inner wells to use and what the advantages are for each of the different styles?

Has anyone ever seen an inner well that moves when the slab is tilted or turned upside down?

I don’t think 75-100K is unreasonable. That’s where a complete coverless copy would be at in today’s market. Very few of those, even fewer loose front covers.

Comic books had been undervalued for a very long time relative to other high end collectibles.

Seeing a piece from the top book in the hobby increase to 10x its original value over a decade or so isn’t as crazy as it sounds.

On 5/12/2019 at 3:32 PM, Chicago Boy said:

I’m not keeping track but that’s what I’ve seen but more loose Action 1 pages 

These are the only loose Tec #27 Batman pages I’ve ever seen.

1 hour ago, Mmehdy said:

In the long run Cap 1...espeically 6.0 and higher

The shift in value as the grade goes up is what it is. Value in low grade is a stronger indicator of the “better” book IMO.

Would a 9.8 AF #15 outsell a 9.8 Batman #1? Possibly. But 1.0 vs. 1.0? Not in the same universe.

Rarity is a strong driving force, so books that are more common are “rarer” in higher grades.

If one book pulls ahead of another due to condition instead of what the book itself is, it becomes a different kind of hierarchy.

With that said, Marvel #1, Cap #1, Batman #1 and AF #15 are all incredible books. I don’t like throwing shade at one to prop up another. Just sharing a perspective.

1 hour ago, Frank Mozz said:

Just a really insightful and well thought out post, I agree 100%

Thank you. 

39 minutes ago, Chicago Boy said:

MC 1 > Cap 1.  Let the bickering begin. I’m keeping score .......

I’ve been on both sides of the fence on this one. Right now, I’m on the side of Marvel Comics #1 and I don’t think it’s particularly close.

4 minutes ago, Chicago Boy said:

Census numbers are almost even for total copies.   Did you find the same with the coverless copies ? 

No.

More coverless Tec #27s than coverless Action #1s.

10 minutes ago, Chicago Boy said:

Would love to know how many coverless conplete ( or almost complete ) Tec 27’s & Action 1’s there are out there. I’m sure I’m not the only one. Census would be nice for the census to include everything. Slabbed 

Agreed. I’ve archived every copy I know to exist. But I’m sure there are more.

2 minutes ago, Chicago Boy said:

Yes. Yes. And yes !!!   If they go fir the numbers you predict it would be hard for anyone not to split up a coverless copy from a purely monetary standpoint. 

Or, they realize that coverless copies are undervalued as they are. Not many copies out there period, let alone those that are still complete or mostly complete.

4 minutes ago, Chicago Boy said:

Personally I think page 3 has the best eye appeal but page 2 is my favorite out of the three.  

Page 1: Debut, splash, 1st Bruce Wayne, 1st Jim Gordon.

Page 2: 1st Batman in costume (non-shadow). Incredible iconic image of Batman with his arms folded.

Page 3: Great Batman art, conclusion to story and the reveal of Bruce Wayne as Batman.

Every single page is out of this world.

I believe they’ll all sell for 10K+ pretty easily.

Wouldn’t be shocked to see something to the effect of...

30k+ for page 1.

20-25k for page 2.

15-20k for page 3.

2 hours ago, Frank Mozz said:

Complete, coverless & while not a huge deal in regard for many members here, the pride of my collection and really a dream to own.

Beautiful. 

A few thoughts...

I don’t believe there’s anything ethically wrong with parting out a book. If you own it and have the ability to turn it into a good investment, you benefit and every collector happy enough to pay for a single page/wrap is making out as well. Some books are completely unaffordable to most, even coverless, so this allows collectors to acquire a piece of history that makes them happy.

To me, as a collector and as someone with tremendous respect for the history of comics, it does hurt to see complete (or mostly complete) copies cut up. In a perfect world, they could stay together. But the parting out of grail books has also helped boost the value of complete (or mostly complete) copies because they’re becoming harder and harder to come by.

I also believe that married books should not be shunned by nonsensical stigma. If you’re able to complete a copy, not with “photo copy” parts but original parts, that’s a wonderful feat...one that should be respected. Generally speaking, books with married parts are undervalued.

There are no “right” or “wrong” ways to go here, the market is what it is. If you’re on the side of wanting to keep books whole, buy them and keep them as-is. If you’re someone who can not afford a complete book and are happy to own a piece of it, fight hard to acquire the pieces you can.