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3 minutes ago, G.A.tor said:
nope, I accidentally deleted out...my bad...
and this isn't "my" list, this is based on most recent sales (private and public that I know of)...
I know. Simply meant your list based on your knowledge of what’s selling and for how much.
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3 minutes ago, G.A.tor said:
I believe the order today (always changing of course) is
action 1
tec 27
superman 1
batman 1
action 7
marvel 1
whiz 2 (1)
tec 31
all American 16
flash 1
(not in top 10) all star 8 (pep 22 probably same range)
Thanks for sharing your list Rick. Your expertise is always appreciated. Is Cap #1 out of the Top-10?
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1 hour ago, rob_react said:
The focus in that article is on individual copies, so if we're trying to do a new version of the Overstreet top ten, then that article is no good. I will say that, in high grade at least, Hulk #1, Amazing Fantasy #15 and Fantastic Four #1 are all in the mix. Based on the list posted above, as a ready example, there's no million dollar copy of Wonder Woman #1, Flash #1 or Suspense #3 and the best copies of those three silver age books would all sell for seven figures. Marvel Comics #1 on the other hand... I know we're talking about golden age here, but it's worth noting.
I will also take the bait!
I often say that FMV of low grade is more telling because it speaks to the value/desirability of the book itself. There’s undeniable value in high grade copies of desirable books. To have survived 60-80 years and remain well preserved is remarkable.
But if it’s that much easier to acquire, that much less desirable because it’s beat up, then it has a shakier core.
We could still include SA books, and if we did, what would the Top-10 FMV list look like in unrestored 2.0 condition?
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On 3/14/2019 at 12:26 PM, lhcomics said:
Not even close. ComicConnect sold a Bat 1 5.0 within last month for $240K.
Having owned and loved both books (not those specific copies), I have gone back and fourth regarding which one should be the more valuable of the two.
If you asked me today, it is and should be Batman #1. Although Cap #1 has become the top Timely, and extremely desirable to collectors who are not into DCs, Batman #1 has so much more desirable content.
From a content point of view, it’s like comparing a 9/10 to an 11/10. It’s no knock on Cap #1 but Batman is so much more popular and the 1st two appearances of the Joker, 1st appearance of Catwoman, final pre-Robin story, etc. is simply overwhelming.
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17 minutes ago, Gotham Kid said:
Just how often is this exercise to be conducted? I can recall several (very) recent threads exactly like it.
Probably pretty often. I haven't been on the boards as much lately, but it's a hot topic for sure.
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I agree with your Top-5, in that same order too.
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As we know, the top books in our hobby have changed quite a bit over the decades. Today, some are impacted by movies, others continue to thrive without Hollywood exposure and others have faded as time has passed.
What are the Top-10 most valuable GA books today?
One could measure that a number of different ways, but I feel comparing low grade FMV tells us a little more than comparing high grade FMV. How valuable is THAT BOOK vs. the value of said book only in a particular condition.
Just as import as finding out which books are the Top-10 most valuable is discussing “why” they are the most valuable. What about those 10 books in particular makes them so desirable?
That subject is open for discussion.
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It’s at only 11K+.
Lets see if my 20K+ prediction measures up.
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2 hours ago, thedude said:
I'm going to guess around $12k.
I couldn't fathom it going that cheap.
A coverless copy sold for over $14,000 last July.
I would be surprised if it sells for anything less than $20,000.
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5 hours ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:
Yes, I think I’m the most recent rookie admitted into the Bat 1 club
Photos/scans?
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How much do you guys guess the Batman #1 CGC 0.5 Green Label will sell for in the CL auction ending on Tuesday (not my book)?
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2 hours ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:
Thank you Wayne-Tec
Anytime.
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53 minutes ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:
I'm trying to figure out who was on the news stand first: Lex Luthor or Joker/Catwoman. I've looked online and thru my reference materials, and it appears as though Action 23 and Batman 1 were on the news stands at the same time. Can this be true? That DC just decided to unleash the hounds of evildoers at the same time?
I can't think of any other mainstream bad guys that would have come out earlier than these guys. I think both Superman and Batman had other lesser "bad guys" appear before Lex Luthor and Joker/Catwoman, but they just didn't catch on. Is it just coincidence that the epic bad guys Lex Luthor and Joker/Catwoman appeared on the stands at exactly the same time?
I tried posting this question under the thread "Hierarchy of Golden Age", but got no response. Thought I'd try it here.
Newsstand Release Dates:
Superman #4
2/15/40
Action Comics #23
2/22/40
Batman #1
4/25/40
Although Action #23 features Luthor's first story appearance, Superman #4 actually hit newsstands first. I'm not sure Action #23 would still be on newsstands over two months after it debuted, but there are collectors on the board far more knowledgable about newsstand information than I am.
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2 minutes ago, pemart1966 said:
It might be enough for me to rank Oct one slot above Nov indicating them as two separate books...
Wouldn’t one value the 650th printed copy of Superman #1 more than the 1,500th printed copy of Superman #1?
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3 hours ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:
+1
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On 1/31/2019 at 1:43 PM, pemart1966 said:
Do you assign an equal value to the October and November Marvel Comics 1?
Equal? No. Give me an OCT copy over a NOV copy if given a choice. But is there enough of a difference for me to put NOV copies under other books in the rankings? Not sold on that.
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I believe that if we created different lists for: historical significance, FMV, long-term desirability, cover art, interior content, etc. it would be a lot easier to rank these books.
Combining many of those factors is a tremendous challenge. For instance...
FMV
Action #7 > Tec #38 > All-Star #3
Historical Significance
All-Star #3 > Tec #38 > Action #7
It’s easy to rank books like All-Star #3, Tec #38 and Whiz #2 (#1) high due to their historical significance.
Its more difficult to justify putting books like Action #7 or Tec #31 high on the list. Not as historically significant but they are rarer, far more desirable and have stood near the top during an era when comics have been more valuable than they ever have before. That counts for something, a lot IMO, but nevertheless difficult to quantify.
After reading some of the feedback, I’d have to agree, Cap #3 belongs somewhere on the list, within the Top-25.
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For a many years now, I have started Golden Age "hierarchy" threads to see where collectors rank the best of the best, up to this point in time. If you'd like to see my 2018 edition, you can find it HERE and if you'd like to see my 2017 edition, you can find it HERE. I'm a little earlier than usual this year, but I think it will be fun to discuss.
I preface these posts by stating the obvious: there are no right or wrong answers. You could create your list based on any criteria you'd like. My list leans much more on historical significance this year than it did last year. I encourage discussion and for different collectors to share different points of view.
I do not collect Archie comic books, my focus has always been superheroes, so I've kept my list DC, Timely and Fawcett exclusive. Feel free to add in whatever books from whatever publishers you'd like. I didn't give my list too much thought. If I did, I'd probably continue to keep changing it up.
1. Action Comics #1
2. Detective Comics #27
3. Marvel Comics #1
4. Superman #1
5. Batman #1
6. Captain America Comics #1
7. All-Star Comics #8
8. Whiz Comics #2 (#1)
9. All-American Comics #16
10. Flash Comics #1
11. Detective Comics #33
12. Detective Comics #38
13. More Fun Comics #73
14. All-Star Comics #3
15. Detective Comics #31
16. Action Comics #7
17. More Fun Comics #52
18. Action Comics #23
19. Sensation Comics #1
20. Action Comics #2
21. Detective Comics #28
22. Action Comics #29
23. Action Comics #10
24. Action Comics #13
25. Adventure Comics #40
That's my list, subject to change and open for discussion. What does yours look like?
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How much do you think equally presenting, complete, unrestored 1.0 copies in CGC universal holders would sell for? Roughly.