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10 hours ago, Nexus said:
New episode of The Felix Comic Art Podcast is UP! With guest DINESH SHAMDASANI! Perhaps the craziest collector to come into the hobby in years. Hear the REAL story behind the ULTIMATE FALLOUT #4 (1st Miles Morales) deal! And more! Thanks Dinesh! Enjoy!
I already listened to this Felix and really enjoyed it. I've never met Dinesh but he seems like a really nice guy and is into OA for all the right reasons. Definitely someone I could hang out with and talk art!
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I'd put money on Adams inking this one too. I'm about 95% sure he did it. A lot of this issue was being inked at San Diego Comic Con around 1985 (or was it '84?), as pages were being handed out to other artists to pitch in. I know Rubenstein inked a page or panel, as did Whilce Portacio. I was a total nobody so I did not touch these pages, and don't have any other names for you to consider. That said, pretty sure this is Adams inks.
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2 hours ago, dspair said:
Thanks for the comment. I’m happy that I got it relatively cheaply! (for an original Byrne pencil sketch of an X-man/Avenger)…I’ll just have to appreciate it from far enough away. 🤣
-Will
While I don't follow Byrne sketch prices that closely, I am certain you got it "cheaply" (due to the inks). This piece without inks/raw pencils would be several thousand $$$$, and inked by Byrne or Austin several thousand plus.
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2 hours ago, zhamlau said:4 hours ago, J.Sid said:
Wish you could see the faces on FF 60... I think that would bug me if I dropped a mil for it.
Agreed.
Nah.
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37 minutes ago, batman_fan said:
Some of my other favorites
Finally someone mentions FF 60! If that's not on everyone's top 5 list, you're doing it wrong!
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5 hours ago, Bird said:
a good person's opinion on this would be @stinkininkin!
well, looking harder I also doubt JB but I wonder what Scott thinks in general?
This inking is...not good. Don't want to denigrate a new piece that a collector is happy to have just won, but the inks are completely amateur, and for the pencils underneath, a bit of a tragedy. That said, the OP said he is happy with his new purchase, so that's all that should matter for him!
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36 minutes ago, DeadpoolJr. said:I usually ask the seller or person I approach first if they would be interested in selling/hearing an offer on the piece I'm interested in. Depending on the piece and how motivated the person is in selling I'll ask if they have a number in mind or at least range for price. This isn't done to try and get it cheaper but because I don't always have comps available to know what a good offer is and don't want to make an offer that would be seen as low, especially if I'm the one approaching them on a piece they haven't advertised as being for sale. I might ask if they have a number in mind too in the same message where I give them a dollar figure as an offer to speed things along and show that I'm willing to go up.
If they give me a number I only consider how much I like and want to the piece and if I CAN AFFORD THE PRICE. Even if it's above FMV if I want the piece and can afford it I'll accept it, especially when I'm the person who approaches them on something that wasn't for sale since I know I'm at a disadvantage and they have no real motivation in wanting to sell the piece. I might do a counter-offer only if it's extremely off but will still try to keep it high to comparable comps if they exist.
This is my approach to doing private deals and don't think it's a bad one. The hardest thing is really just getting through that initial barrier of getting the would be seller to consider selling their art but there are some ways to tell how open people are to these unprompted messages. Some say on CAF that it's ok to contact to contact them with offers, seeing that they have a lot of activity of doing trades and sales with fellow collectors, or how the piece you like differs and isn't inline with their collecting focus and something they don't rank high in their collection.Respectfully, your approach would not get my attention. Getting me to consider selling a not for sale piece from my collection in the current market would take a VERY aggressive offer right out of the gate. Asking if I have a number in mind pretty much shuts down all consideration from my end. I've had most of my art for decades, have no desire or need to sell, and would need to be offered outlier auction result prices to even get my brain engaged. Even then it's probably a no, but unless you come out with your guns blazing, your chances are less than zero. If you don't know what FMV is on what you are asking for, it's your responsibility to find out. Again, I say this respectfully, as I think you are coming at this honestly, but I wanted to give you something to consider moving forward.
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1 hour ago, vodou said:
How much of that result is "#2"? Seriously asking.
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2 hours ago, jjonahjameson11 said:4 hours ago, stinkininkin said:
I don't think anyone mentioned the BWS Conan 2 cover coming in at 264k. That's a lot of cheese for a "flat or stagnating BWS Conan market" often talked about here on these boards in the last few years. It's also a really nice cover, one I would be happy to own, but not one of the top 5, or probably even top 10. Before the auction, I would have guessed no more than 125-140k. So yeah, BIG close on this one!
There's only one fella that I can recall that mentioned this on the boards, and I don't think he's as active as he was once upon a time.
Still, $264K for the Conan 2 cover is a pretty big number, all things considered.
Perhaps, but @delekkerste wasn't wrong. The PUBLIC results of BWS Conan sales HAVE been lagging the rest of the market somewhat. But the numbers on BWS Weapon X have gone bonkers, so I'm wondering if that has juiced anything BWS? Or maybe this Conan 2 cover is a total outlier. I think it's a cool cover regardless, but I am an unabashed BWS fan, Conan or otherwise.
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I don't think anyone mentioned the BWS Conan 2 cover coming in at 264k. That's a lot of cheese for a "flat or stagnating BWS Conan market" often talked about here on these boards in the last few years. It's also a really nice cover, one I would be happy to own, but not one of the top 5, or probably even top 10. Before the auction, I would have guessed no more than 125-140k. So yeah, BIG close on this one!
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4 hours ago, Unstoppablejayd said:
Anyone have some insight on why this portacio panel broke 10k? Something special or is that where we are now for his x related art ?
If I had to guess, I think it's just a continuation of the love affair for '90s comics. Demographics/nostalgic content and the aesthetics of that period are in full bloom. I don't think this Portacio page is significant other than it checks off all those 90's boxes.
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13 minutes ago, sfilosa said:44 minutes ago, AnkurJ said:
Not everything was strong, my two consignments fizzled
What were your consignments?
Yeah, I would be curious where the softer market is too.
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3 hours ago, PhilipB2k17 said:
Why isn’t there a livestream video of the auction?
ummmm...
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5 minutes ago, sfilosa said:
Anything with "limited supply" is not necessarily affected by people spending their dollars somewhere else. Only takes a few people to drive up these prices, as would be the case with Original Art.
Now that said, while OA is one of kind, 100s to 1,000s of page by the same artist (say Kirby) that mostly look the same, really has a lot of "supply". Therefore, one could see that if money is being spent on other items, certain OA with a lot of supply could come down in price.
There may be hundreds of even thousands of pages of "supply" of Mike Ploog art, but there are only about 20 pages from MS #5. That's your relevant apples to apples comparison.
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4 hours ago, jjonahjameson11 said:
Let’s wait until Thursday’s platinum day results are in.
by the way, the Marvel Spotlight #5 that I mentioned earlier in this thread took a nice leap from $96K to $150K recently. That has to be the record for any Bronze Age book!
Holy cow!
MS #5 is one of my all time favorite books, and I even have a couple of nice pages from the issue, but 150k for the book seems absolutely bonkers. Prices like these on comics helps me relate to my wife's reaction to the prices I pay for original art--she just can't process the concept. Of course, the one of a kind aspect of collecting OA seems like all the justification I need versus collecting comics, but that's another conversation.
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2 hours ago, Chaykin Stevens said:
It's the cover to Star Fighters #2, which was published in 1979 by Ken Landgraf's Landgraphics. The cover to the first issue was Landgraf pencils (flagrantly swiped from DC Special Series' Jonah Hex Spectacular) and Adams inks.
BINGO!
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1 hour ago, johnb102 said:
I am cleaning out my collection from the late 70's/early 80's and found this at the bottom of a box between two pieces of cardboard. I am guessing it is Neal Adams because most of my collection is Neal Adams related, but I am not sure.
Doesn't appear to be ALL Neal Adams, but it has some Adams aesthetics for sure. Looks like it might be a studio effort (Continuity Studios?) and looks to feature some Adams inks. I've looked at and collected a lot of Neal Adams art, but I've never seen this before!
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6 hours ago, Bill C said:21 hours ago, stinkininkin said:
Hmmm, I missed this. In light of this turn in the market
it might be prudent for me to dig through my closet and start pulling out my Eric Larsen Punisher pages I inked! Baby needs new shoes, and shoes aint cheap!
Obviously not apples to apples, but there's a Larsen ASM page with Punisher in the current HA. So there'll be another data point (of a sort) soon.
Larsen ASM pages will probably always be more desirable than his Punisher pages, but with this crazy art market, well, I'm going with the rising tide lifting all boats theory and taking it to the bank!
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On 5/28/2021 at 4:00 AM, jjonahjameson11 said:On 5/27/2021 at 7:26 PM, TeddieMercede said:I am not making light of mental health issues, but this is insane!
Hmmm, I missed this. In light of this turn in the market
it might be prudent for me to dig through my closet and start pulling out my Eric Larsen Punisher pages I inked! Baby needs new shoes, and shoes aint cheap!
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32 minutes ago, tth2 said:
But Barry Smith was so hot back then, and perhaps there would've been perception of scarcity since the number of Conan issues that he worked on was relatively small, and the number of covers even smaller.
The Smith Conan run is one of the first runs I remember being broken out in price lists because of the artist.
You might be right, but I remember good Neal Adams Batman covers and Bernie Wrightson Swampthing covers going for about $300 (or less) in 1979, so those BWS Conan covers at $600 a pop feel extra pricey by comparison.
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1 hour ago, Lee B. said:
Several original art lots in the June 2021 Heritage Signature auction have been previously offered for sale over the past few decades. Check out some of these pieces, and their asking prices...before they went to Heritage:
Barry Smith Conan #2 cover
http://www.comicartads.com/content/conan-2-cover
Gil Kane Green Lantern #11, page 9 (prices are pretty close at this point!)
http://www.comicartads.com/content/green-lantern-11-page-9
Gil Kane The Atom #26, page 1
http://www.comicartads.com/content/atom-26-page-1
John Romita Sr. Captain America #148 cover
http://www.comicartads.com/content/captain-america-148-cover
Johnny Craig Gunfighter #6 cover (prices are also pretty close at this point!)
http://www.comicartads.com/content/gunfighter-6-cover
Pat Broderick Captain Marvel #58, page 1
http://www.comicartads.com/content/captain-marvel-58-page-1
Werner Roth X-Men #21, page 5
http://www.comicartads.com/content/x-men-21-page-5
And there will be a couple more to come, so stay tuned!
That Conan 2 cover asking price of $600 in 1979 is pretty shocking! Pretty sure that $600 is at least double what I would have estimated at that time. Of course, $600 doesn't seem like much today, but that was an astronomical number for a cover like this in '79.
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12 hours ago, tth2 said:
This is great advice if your aim is to build a small, mediocre collection.
I was thinking the same thing. Well said.
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MS #5 is one of my all time favorite books, and I even have a couple of nice pages from the issue, but 150k for the book seems absolutely bonkers. Prices like these on comics helps me relate to my wife's reaction to the prices I pay for original art--she just can't process the concept. Of course, the one of a kind aspect of collecting OA seems like all the justification I need versus collecting comics, but that's another conversation.
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Totally agree Dino.