Bomber-Bob

7 minutes ago, JollyComics said:

Let CCS do it, it's an amateur work. If you do it, it may be a major damage.

I agree. You would want to send this, in the slab, to CCS. The onus will be on them to get it removed completely. Otherwise, It's easy to leave a tiny trace yourself and get another PLOD. 

2 minutes ago, gadzukes said:

Cr-OW PQ

This is a TOUGH book to find.  It never seems to come up on ebay.   It's the only BP I own.  I think I'm holding for right now.

This group of submissions I just got back have a lot of books you don't see too often.  When I get the box from CGC I'll post all the pics.

Cool. It's actually refreshing to see a collector hang on to some books. Looking forward to the pics !

10 minutes ago, gadzukes said:

Probably.  But, with only 1 staple holding the cover I was nervous.

I don't think that slight spine roll made much, if any, difference in the grade. The indentations definitely dropped the grade but I think only one tick. The bigger impact was probably the Back Cover stains. I totally agree with your decision to not press the book with only one staple. It looks like the one staple has a small tear already and it can be risky. There are some wrinkles on the BC that a press probably would have helped. What was the Page Quality ? I think it's a very cool book. Is it a keeper or are you selling it ?

I understand that an auction house has to pay the consignors their money and therefore they are hesitant to reimburse the buyer. However, if the book was cracked at the time of auction, this should have been noted by CC, stating the book has been sent to CGC for reholder. You see this all the time on CLink. It should not be a buyer beware situation. Winners of an auction should not be expected to receive a cracked slab and to take care of it themselves. Again, this is terrible customer service. 

8 minutes ago, Xenosmilus said:

Even worse,  that Avengers #47 after closer inspection of their posted photo, the slab was cracked (it was hard to see) pre-shipment and they didn't disclose that in the description.

Again, wow, that's terrible customer service for not getting the book fixed for you. 

1 minute ago, Xenosmilus said:

I tried that but Comic Connect wouldn't refund me because I won it at auction.  The best they would do was to reholder it for me.  Note I'm the same guy who received a cracked case of the Avengers #47 from Comic Connect also (you commented on that also a few days ago also when I was trying to sell that on eBay HAHA).

Wow, sounds like CC is not shipping their books properly. Next time, send the book back to CC, the onus should not be on you to get the book fixed. Let CC send it in for reholder. Trust me, you don't want to deal with these situations. In all honesty, I would consider stopping doing business with CC. After two incidents, and not getting any assistance, I would walk. Terrible customer service. Sorry this happened to you.

1 minute ago, Bomber-Bob said:

Yes, there is always an inherent risk to a reholder. Accidents happen, not often, but they do happen. That tear, if new, is not good. Contact CGC immediately. Call, they are notoriously slow to answer E-Mail. CGC is good about making things right. Good luck. 

BTW, next time you receive a cracked slab, send it back to the seller and get your money back. You don't want to deal with this situation again in the future. Who was the seller ? Sounds like poor packagaing. 

Yes, there is always an inherent risk to a reholder. Accidents happen, not often, but they do happen. That tear, if new, is not good. Contact CGC immediately. Call, they are notoriously slow to answer E-Mail. CGC is good about making things right. Good luck. 

On 2/7/2019 at 11:52 AM, gadzukes said:

Wow.  They should NOT be calling it a "Quick Press" if it's the same as a "Press".  They should call it "Fast Track" pressing (which requires bulk comic submission) to match the terminology on the CGC side.  

"Quick Press"  makes it sound like a lesser quality press.

I guess I was totally off on what I had heard about it.  I apologize for spreading any misinformation.

I don't believe your original comments about Quick press vs press were wrong.  Legion's comements from his phone conversation with CGC do not seem right. There must have been a misunderstanding or miscommunication with CGC. 

2 hours ago, 60s_kid said:

AC #240 FN+ 6.5 $180

great gloss and color, slight spine stress, nearly invisible crease upper right, only 13 in census

 

 

2 hours ago, 60s_kid said:

Action Comics #246 VF CGC 8.0 $275

Only 7 better in census

 

 

3 hours ago, LordRahl said:

I see what you are talking about but I think it might be a mylar "adhering" to the book and causing something similar to the Newton Ring effect. If the book isn't in a mylar, then I'd be worried about that spot too.

That's a good theory about the mylar 'adhering' to the book. It's possible that is what's going on. However, the Newton Ring effect happens from two plastic surfaces touching. In this case it's just the mylar touching the book. I don't think I ever saw a mylar touching the book give a Newton effect.  

Regarding pressing. The book looks very flat, the spine looks very flat, and the upper right corner has that 'look' we often see nowadays on pressed books. I don't mean the fanning of the pages, I mean the cover corner alignment. Also, the Back cover looks very clean, very white suggesting a possible dry clean. Please note I did say I 'think' the book was pressed, and I do, but I may be wrong. I don't think collectors realize that nowadays raw books are often pressed. This is a nice looking book. This is a key book, tough to find in high grade. I find it difficult to believe a book like this was not pressed and never graded, especially coming from a dealer. 

First off, I think the book has already been pressed. It sure looks like it to me. I believe the Back Cover has already been cleaned also. I'm puzzled by the top of the back cover. If those are stains, the grade will be problematic. It almost looks like damage from an over hydration before a press. I'm sorry but I also think that is a color touch. It seems pretty obvious. TOS 52 is such a cool book to own but I would be nervous about this copy. Sorry.

28 minutes ago, Black_Adam said:

I can't speak for other collectors but, all things being equal, I would sooner buy a slabbed book than one that has been deslabbed with the label. If it was a boardie or a reputable online dealer (i.e. Worldwide, who often offer deslabbed comics) I would take a very close look to make sure no damage occurred during the deslabbing process - which can be tricky if you don't know what you are doing or aren't careful - and would also be looking for signs of SCS, as mentioned, a frequent reason for deslabbing.

As far as eBay goes, I wouldn't touch a deslabbed comic offered there with a ten foot pole. Too easy to mix and match comics/labels - it would be easy for a swindler there to match a 9.0 high value book with resto with a 9.0 blue label for the same issue.

For me, a significant part of the value of CGC grading is the tamper proof case. Tampering with the case reduces that value for me.

I agree with your comments. I don't blame you for being cautious about deslabbed books. Personally, I feel safer buying a deslabbed book with a label vs a seller's grade on a raw. BTW, I'm not sure if Worldwide deslabs a lot of books himself or he just gets them in that way. As far as E-Bay, I don't shop there. There's too much shenanigans going on.

20 minutes ago, Karl Liebl said:

CGC really needs to get this shaken comic thing fixed quickly.  I haven't had any problems yet and I'm sure it mainly applies to books being shipped in the mail but still...  Also I only got one book shipped with a wedge, FF13.  Now I am down to only getting ten more books slabbed from my "collection" (hah), I keep finding significant defects that make the book not worth slabbing, bleh.  Keeping fingers crossed.

It's not really the fault of CGC or the design of the slab. How can they 'fix' a rough shipment or a postal working drop kicking the book. Even if the slab is properly packaged it can still happen. I think the wedge helps a lot but I have no idea when they choose to use it. 

I used to open up many of my slabs but with the new slab design it is very difficult, so not so much anymore. Slabbed books take up a lot of storage room. If I have a keeper book, I open it up and enjoy it in mylar. I keep the label with it. It doesn't seem to make a difference in valuation = collectors will pay slabbed prices for deslabbed books with the label. As mentioned above, if I see SCS going on I like to get it out of the slab immediately. It only gets worse in the slab.  

17 hours ago, Todd jones said:

Batman 181,with a detached ... How would this be graded if CGC thought the Pin Up centerfold ...

Sorry but not only does your question make no sense, we would need a pic to give a good answer. As others pointed out above, you are asking this question in the wrong forum.

14 minutes ago, grayzr said:

If it was a water stain how much would a stain of this size effect grade?

 

We would really need to see pics of the whole book. Depending on the grade of the rest of the book it may have a minimal affect on the grade. However, CGC usually slams even small stains . You also need to see if the 'stain' permeates the cover. I don't think it will affect the grade much but as with all things CGC, 'it depends'. 

It may simply be a stain. However, it is white. I guess you will have to look closely when you get it in hand. 

2 minutes ago, ygogolak said:

I don't think they did in the past. There are enough labels that are wrong to prove that. But they have set a precedence, and let's face it, a business in graded Modern's around what the label says. When do you decide what's important and what's not. Say a character gets hot in 5 years and then they start labeling it. There will be 5 years of books that don't have it on the label.

Look at the amount of information on a Golden Age book. There is not near the same amount with Modern's. They label "Joker Cover"s. Yes, I can see Joker is on the cover of the book I'm holding, ha.

I agree with everthing you said here. Even if CGC had someone who stayed on top of the content, they would probably not be able to keep up and get it on on the label in a timely manner. When CGC started, hardly anyone submitted Moderns, and this was not a problem. So what's the answer, what's the solution  ? I think maybe CGC has simply given up. If they get enough requests or a character gets hot, they will adjust the label. But to try and oblige every request listed here, I think not.  

28 minutes ago, ygogolak said:

Isn't the notation on the label part of what people are paying for? I believe it is.

I believe certain notations on the label are indeed part of the service but I doubt they feel any obligation to even attempt to keep up with all the crazy requests coming from this thread. I highly doubt they find time to read and keep up on all the new material. 

IMO, 7.5 but CGC is so lenient, especially if you paid them for pressing, I guess 8.0 .

54 minutes ago, SSkufan said:

Correct it was just the centerfold and not the cover.  I have looked at the notes and that is all it gives me.

I am really perplexed on this one and am actually thinking of cracking it to get a better look.

 

I'm not sure what you would gain by deslabbing it. Not only would you have wasted your money on the submissionsure but you would probably find the centerfold is indeed detached. Now whether it was married from a different book or not, it doesn't really make a difference, not really a big deal. I don't think the reference to married mattered in the grade and I don't think it will affect the valuation of the book should you decide to sell it. It seems to annoy you but I don't think anything will be accomplished by cracking it open.  

5 hours ago, MadJimJaspers said:

4.0-5.0. I dont know what they will do with the split. PLEASE dont press this book. It looks great with the white cover.

I agree about the press. Smashing the spine on a book with a significant spine split usually looks horrible. The current plumpness of the spine masks the spine split. Spine splits have a tendency to get worse from handling and pressing. In all probability, pressing to remove a couple 'dimples' probably won't matter in the grade anyway.