Bomber-Bob

I'm confused by the pricing. Is Friday Night admission only with a VIP ticket for 35.00 ? 

It is a helpful page but it only describes how CGC assigns the Quality and Quantity scale, like C-1, etc. Outsode of the restoration, nothing is discussed or explained how the grade of the book is assigned. Rover and I may be in agreement, but it seems we have a different viewpoint as to grade. I think the restoration is not ignored but held against the grade. You have a crease covered by CT, the crease counts against the grade, it is not ignored. In any case, it doesn't matter but the OP asked.  

5 minutes ago, oldrover said:

Having submitted a few restored books for grading recently, I can say they’ve graded them based on how they look. I’ve disagreed with some of those grades, but I’ve disagreed with some non-restored grades too.

Then I must have gotten screwed on my restored books because they were not graded on how they looked.  Here's an example of a book I still have. Can you honestly say it looks like a 5.5 ?  If they graded it on how it 'looks' this would have been a 9.4. It doesn't work that way. 

38 minutes ago, sledgehammer said:

I think there's a distinction.

What he seems to be saying is they know the color touch is there, and without the color touch the grade would be 6.

What I'm saying is they know the color touch is there, and without the color touch the grade would be 4.5.

If they add pieces, and the grade is 9.4, the grade might be 5.0  without the pieces, but now it looks like a 9.4.

I'm as confused as anybody on the grading for a Restored. Years ago, I inquired on the grade of a Restored book and I was told the book is not graded by what it looks like. I remember I had a tear seal on the spine. I was told the grade reflected the fact that the tear seal was there, doesn't matter that it was sealed. You can't cover up a flaw and expect the flaw to be absent from the grade. I may wrong but this is what I was told. However, as with all things CGC, they can do whatever they want, on any given day.

8 hours ago, Gaard said:

When they ask for the insurance value, we're supposed to put down the value it will have after it's been slabbed? At a grade that we know it'll receive?

I do think most seem to over analyze the situation. When assigning a value for a CGC submission just put the value you are comfortable with, regardless if it's pre grade raw or post grade slabbed. CGC is very lenient about it. They do not nick pick the value, and only occasionally assign a bump. CGC does not pay for the nsurance, you pay. You have to consider that fact when assigning a value you are comfortable with. I've said it before, getting a post grade bump from CGC is a good thing.  Embrace it and enjoy !

2 minutes ago, kimik said:

Tales to Astonish #85 CGC 9.2 - $120

 

1 hour ago, kimik said:

Conan the Barbarian #37 CGC 9.4 - $60

Neal Adams cover!

3 minutes ago, kimik said:

Millie the Model Annual #4 CGC 9.4 - $75

 

 

2 minutes ago, kimik said:

Millie the Model Annual #5 CGC 9.4 - $75

3 minutes ago, Nemogollom said:

You can send it in with a bite and ask for a review.  If they decide it could be incorrectly graded then they'll crack it and regrade it (charging you a reholder fee), otherwise send it back to you with comments.  Basically the grade shouldn't drop.  Another option is to send it into CCS for a press and then a grading after.

I've had success both ways, but I've only send in a review book for something that I couldn't see other than the artwork making it look line spine stress.

UNless CGC has changed their policy on a review, if they do regrade it, you are charged a regrading fee. In my experience, the fee was one tier below the original submission. 

18 minutes ago, SBRobin said:

6.0 because of the restoration, meaning that if CGC couldn't tell the book was restored, it would be a 6.0 book. The restoration doesn't negatively affect the grade, just the label.

I'm not sure this is true or maybe but I'm not clear on what you are saying. . Unlike the Green Qualified Labe, where the flaw is ignored in the grade, I thought the Restored Purple Label will have the flaws included in the grade. Let's say you have a subscription crease with CT. The CT is noted on the label and the subscription crease is counted against the grade. 

16 minutes ago, icefires said:

Isn't Greg Reece a board member? Get him on here to tell us what's up.

Greg is one of my favorite dealers. There's no reason to call him out on this book. I would simply pass on it and move on. No biggie. 

3 hours ago, Schmakt said:

 

That's a cool way of looking at it, but I don't think I would be able to resist pulling out all the pages and laying them on the floor

I was thinking about picking up a second copy of Thor 148 for investment... my raw copy is around 9.0, but certainly not 9.6...

The more I look at this one, however, the more I think I can see where the staple has come out... I also just realized I had GPA prices for 9.4's in my head and not 9.6.  I thought I might have found a deal, but that's just *WAY* too good to be true.  I'm going to try finishing off my FF early SS appearances instead of chasing another copy of this.

If anyone feels like rolling the dice...

https://reececomics.com/product/thor_148_9_6/

Also, I don't like the looks of the '11/13' in the title. The ink looks very faded, possible from an aggresive press or hydration. I would pass.

6 minutes ago, Get Marwood & I said:

Personally I think a genuine manufacturing error enhances a book. It sets it aside from other copies. If I had a chance at, say, an ASM #129 without staples (I mean genuine manufacturing error - one with no staple holes on the spine) which was structurally a 9.6 I'd take that over a 'complete' 9.6 any day.

There are stacks of them out there. Why not have one that's different from the rest? It's like a double cover. Sets it aside from the rest. 

My brother has a Hulk #5 with no staples. No staple holes and a tight clean holeless spine. It's wonderful.

I agree with your comments on the 'cool' factor, however, the key word here is 'genuine'.  For a dealer to simply say the bottom staple is missing leads me to be very suspect on what is going on. I do not get a warm and fussy that it is a genuine manufacturing error.  

27 minutes ago, Schmakt said:

I'm looking at a book that an online dealer has graded as 9.6 with a note that the bottom staple is missing.  It's priced very aggressively for a 9.6, so I'm thinking maybe it should be "Missing bottom staple, otherwise 9.6" or something.

As best I can tell from the scans it *seems* like it's a manufacturing defect, but I'm not sure...

Everything else looks really good, but I'm also not sure what the missing staple would mean for grading... Is it even possible to have a 9.6 missing a staple?

Assuming everything else is 9.6 worthy, what would the missing staple do to a CGC grade?

Thanks...

Without more clarity, I would not even consider buying this book. If the dealer's exact words are 'the bottom staple is missing', this would imply it was removed. If he said it was manufactured without a bottom staple, that is a better scenario. If your intent is to buy the book for submission to CGC, you are running a risk as to how CGC will view the situation. In any case, I would not pay a 9.6 valuation. 

Quote from Harshen Patel ..............

'CGC provides its message boards as a service to the comic book collecting community. Although we value an open forum where users can discuss issues that affect the hobby, we will not allow our message boards to be used to promote our competitors. Several recent posts have done this and have been pulled. Going forward, we will pull any posts that violate this policy and may also choose to suspend or ban the poster.'

6 minutes ago, Sisqo Due said:

Please ignore this warning as this is a personal hang-up of BB's. These types of discussions are completely appropriate, legit responses are not from fanboys, and don't feel bad for asking as you've done nothing wrong.

Also, who are the notable names at CCS? Matt doesn't even work there anymore.

Matt still works there as well as Chris Friessen. Harshen has commented here that they will not tolerate advocating competitors here. I do agree a recomendation is fine, however, all too often the discussion turns into a Kudo thread which I don't think is approriate. Who the heck are you ? Some banished Boardie that grabbed a new account.

55 minutes ago, BladeTX said:

Well I have only purchased about 30 pre-slabbed books that I could return but I have done 10 reholders.  Nothing looks amiss.   What should I be looking for with SCS?  

Why have you done 10 reholders ? If the book is fine in the current holder, leave it be. SCS usually happens from a rough shipping experience. Why risk additional shipments that are not necessary. 

1 hour ago, Ride the Tiger said:

I wanted to go but i'm flat broke. It sucks to miss a show that's only 20 minutes from you but there's always next time.    Have any of you gone to the all night flea market at the fairgrounds? My friend from work goes every year and tells me there are tone of sellers with comics. Always seems to fall on a bad date for me. I think its in August this year.

Yes, My wife and I usually try to go to the all night flea market. It's not really all night anymore but it's still a lot of fun. To be honest, I generally don't see many comics. Some, but far from 'tons'. Didn't know you are in the area. I'm in Downers Grove 

28 minutes ago, Georgie123 said:

Who is considered the best at pressing

Guido runs the best shop around. He can turn your books over quicker than anyone. Here's an example of his work. He's the best !!!!

21 minutes ago, Georgie123 said:

Who is considered the best at pressing

Look, like anything else people have their favorites and opinions will vary. Please be respectful of the fact that these Boards are run by CGC, which has their own pressing service with some notable names in the hobby. While I'm sure some fan boys will jump in with praise for their favorites, these type of discussions are not really appropriate. 

3 hours ago, The Lions Den said:

Bob, perhaps I can shed some light on this without throwing anyone under the bus. As you know, the wedge is added by virtue of the encapsulation room (or Slab Room). Sometimes it's just a judgement call on the part of the slabber whether to add a wedge or two. It also depends upon the cut of the book---some books that should fit in a standard size well won't fit properly because of an odd cut at the factory. In rare situations it's because they temporarily run out of certain wells and they have to make due with what's available. And there are always time constraints to consider. In any event, I'm thankful I've never personally experienced SCS. In my view, it negates one of the most important reasons for slabbing the book in the first place...protecting the book from damage.

Good insight. I can't believe you have never experienced SCS. You must be a rookie ! LOL.

2 minutes ago, gadzukes said:

Do you realize how easy it is to scrape a little glue off?  It's not like it's color touch.

No, I have not personally scraped off any glue. I firmly believe that CGC will give the nod to a book that CCS has worked on. I think it's safer sending it to them.

On 2/8/2019 at 10:18 AM, Phill the Governor said:

What should I do? At this point I think I'm just going to cover the difference in insurance (which I was told was somewhere around $30-$40) because I'm trying to sell the book not play games with it. 

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

I would suggest getting a Collector's Insurance plan through the company CollectInsure for your collection. You can buy blanket coverage and you only need to schedule individual books in excess of 20,000 (it was raised from 5K last year so I'm not sure of the new amount). If you ship using Fedex with Signature Confirmation your book will be covered for the 20K = you do not have to purchase insurance from CGC or the USPS.  Not only is this more convenient, it will save you a lot of money on your shipments. I would think you can purchase an Insurance plan and use it for shipping your book in a matter of days. 

2 minutes ago, BladeTX said:

I am a true newbie.  What is SCS?  Is that too many Newton Rings?

SCS stands for Shaken Comic Syndrome, a condition where the book suffers damage inside the inner well from movement. Nothing to do with Newton Rings.