Bomber-Bob

13 minutes ago, Nico Esq said:

There appears to be a growing community of people that are taking the position that rehydration, pressing and dry-cleaning are bad (I am not one of those people so please don't ask me to defend this position).  Insofar as some people in our community engage in strange shenanigans (lying, cheating, stealing, etc.), I imagine that there will be a group of people who will take this position so that they can secure books they can then improve and re-sell for more money.  That being said, I think it's a legitimate inquiry and that as these methods become more and more common, we will see them disclosed as a matter of transparency on sales threads.  However, I can generally tell if a book has defects that will press out.  It's harder for me to tell if something is a color rub or can be dry cleaned form a photo than I assume it is for others.  I imagine the real pros and pressing/cleaning can look at photos and tell what has or can be done effectively to a book.   

I agree with you. The inquiry about pressing, in today's marketplace, is probably asked to secure books they can then improve and re-sell for more money. 

11 minutes ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

That’s what I was looking for. I’m surprised that a book could still get a 9.6 with any amount of foxing, given its propensity to spread. But at least at one point, that is how cgc apparently looked at it.  Maybe the logic was that as long as the book is properly stored, the foxing is unlikely to spread. I don’t know this to be true, and haven’t found reassurance anywhere that the foxing will stop advancing as long as the book is kept in the right environment. I simply speculate this may have been what cgc was thinking 

anyway, thank you!

Glad it helped. Years ago, you could call CGC and ask questions directly to the graders about your grade. This is long gone but the grader's were very informative and I learned a lot. Submissions weren't as hectic and demanding as now. I still have some personal references but I suspect many have changed since the early years.    

26 minutes ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

No, I did like your answer. I’m not sure what the timing was, but I did a search on “foxing” and think I posed my question on a coupla different threads. 

I have big respect for you Bomber-Bob, and thank you for taking the time. 

No problem, just teasing. What's most important is answering your question. These are very old CGC comments about foxing. Are the comments still valid, were they ever accurate, who knows. Note the terms referenced , 'minor, slight, light'. In my opinion, these comments are vague and dependent on other conditions of the book. 

9.6 If the foxing is very minor.

9.4 If the foxing is very slight.

9.2 if the foxing is very light. 

9.0 if combined with other flaws.

18 hours ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

Can you tell me where I can read up on CGC's stance on foxing?  I've just bought a 9.0 graded and encapsulated by CGC in 2004.  It is noted to have "light foxing".  I'm curious to know if CGC's attitude toward foxing has toughened up in the last 15 years.  Thanks

I guess you didn't like my answer to you on the other thread where you asked the same question, HaHa ! The reason you are not getting straight up answers from us is CGC does not publish their stance = nothing for you to read up on. Also realize, the rules vary depending on the grade and other conditions of the book. The size, darkness, location of foxing may be treated differently from one book to another. Sorry but there are no firm answers or something to offer to read up on, especially when asking for differences from 15 years ago.    

4 minutes ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

Thanks Bomber-Bob. 

If I understand correctly, a book can still be as high as a 9.4 with foxing?

I've personally had a submission, with back cover foxing, as high as 9.6 . I'm not sure if CGC has tightened up on this flaw but I do believe 9.4 will be allowed.

50 minutes ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

Can you direct me to where this is written?  Sorry to be a bother, but I'm in the middle of a big book deal that has "light foxing".
 

Lion's Den was correct about why the Foxing was not listed. In theory, only flaws that affect the grade are listed. Every flaw is not listed. Regarding your request to see these 'rules' written, I don't think so. BTW, in your case/example the light foxing must have been meaningful to list and affects the grade.

I was always under the impression that the CCS pressers do not grade, they only press. If submitted and paid for evaluation, CCS will utlize a grader for evaluation. 

1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Ha I forgot I already asked the first part. I’ll use standard but I still don’t know the best shipping.  It seems priority would work for me.  What is the max insurance they allow?

You put the value on the form when you submit. That will be the insured value for shipping. 

28 minutes ago, Charles Maucione said:

Just got back Avengers #4 graded 6.5 with a purple label (slight color touch up on cover  B-1)   If I sent it back to have the restoration removed would I be charged the full regrading fee. A cost of about $190 for both. 

I'm not sure of the exact cost but yes, you are charged for a full regrading fee.  

39 minutes ago, Dark Knight said:

Yup another cost of collecting until something changes in the future. What sucks for the states that are being charged a tax is that it's not an even playing field with the states who dont have to pay for it. Only way around it is to apply for a resale certificate I guess..

I totally agree, it should be an even playing field. I just feel better than last year as more states and auction sites are now charging tax, leveling the field.  

3 minutes ago, Dark Knight said:

Yup the sales tax would affect me buying and bidding as well. I believe all major auction house now charges sales tax, at least in CA.

I'm in Illinois. When the sales tax on comics first started, I was irritated. I was even more irritated when it was not used by all auction houses. Now that it appears most are charging, I don't feel irritated at all. Just another cost of collecting. 

I don't think CGC will guarantee anything about this book until they have it in hand for evaluation. 

17 hours ago, WEB_SLINGER2000 said:

Hello all,

I was hoping to get some help. I have a CGC graded Amazing Spider-Man #1 (Yellow Variant with mask off) autographed by Humberto Ramos. It's graded at a 9.4. I've tried to find a 9.4 to compare prices, but I can only find a 9.6. How much would a 9.4 CGC graded ASM #1 with signature go for? Ordinarily I wouldn't sell any of my CGC comics, but I would use the money to upgrade to a Lee/Ramos signed 9.8 graded copy of the same comic book.

Thank You in advance.

I agree with the comments here that, in general, a 9.4 is simply not a worthy grade for a Modern. As others stated, at best maybe half the value of a similar 9.6 .

2 hours ago, Petey777 said:

What about a poly bag that has signatures?  Would they slab the book and bag separately or keep it in the bag?

I've never heard of this. From my knowledge, CGC will never slab the book inside a polybag. The polybag is removed. 

2 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

Color loss itself is not determinative. A color breaking defect is allowed on a 9.8

 

I've never heard anyone else ever say that color loss is not a determination for the grade. If a 9.8 has a color break, it should be very tiny.  The size of the color loss should lower the grade. If 1/4 inch it should be a 9.4 .

Hey Lion, help me here. Is my statement above wrong ?

1 minute ago, MGsimba77 said:

I have a slew of if 9.6s with more color breaking defects than this and a few with less. I don't yet know if I'll submit but overall it looks consistent with every 9.6 I've seen.

I'm implying that it's not reasonable to determine what the grade is just by looking at that small area even if you were the best grader ever. 

If the book was a little lower in grade, I think a press would raisie the grade. However, at 9.4, I don't see it going higher. The ability to get a 9.6 with a color breaking defect depends on the location and the size. In this case, I don't think so but I wish you luck.

3 minutes ago, MGsimba77 said:

How do you know the grade wouldn't improve? You haven't seen the rest of the book. I was just asking if this bend could be pressed out and if anyone had a similar bend pressed out. I'll leave the grading to the graders

With a grade already of 9.4, I'm assuming the rest of the book is in nice shape. You can press the book, it should 'look' better, but the cover color loss will still be there. If you are implying I can't grade and should leave the grading to the graders, so be it. 

Nice book. I'm thinking 7.5 .  

16 minutes ago, MGsimba77 said:

Why wouldn't they press it?

If you give it to CCS, in the slab, they will probably not press it because the grade will not be improved. If you submitted it with instruction to press, they will press it, but it's a waste of money. 

22 minutes ago, PhantomEwan said:

Thanks for that.  I don't think it is worth it for me to do that for just this one, but it is good to know.  I might have to look and see if I have more that need a reholder.

Your book looks like a really nice copy. You can see from the cover that it is a Newstand. I just don't see the value of resubbing it to put Newstand on the label. 

2 hours ago, bronze johnny said:

Dear CGC, 

Can you note "Unpressed" on the label for books submitted from my collection that were purchased by me off the newsstand and never pressed? If not, can you please explain?*

Thanks,

John

* I've submitted this question to CGC in the Ask CGC section.

 

Originally, CGC allowed pressed books to be acceptable because they could not ascertain if the book was pressed. Personally, I think they can tell 99% of the time but CGC wanted to introduce their own Pressing service. I concur that you should be able to request not pressed on the label but I don't think they will allow it.   

55 minutes ago, Gaard said:

In my case, they sent back a box of 25 (rejects and slabs together), and a box of 3 (1 reject & 2 slabs) a week later.

edit: I should note that I sent them all 28 books together in 1 box, and for some reason, 3 of the books were graded a week after the other 25.

This makes sense to me. The 'rejects' from the pregrader are not official until they are looked at by the graders. Sometimes the graders overrides the pregrader. So all 25 books, rejects and slabs, are shipped back together.  My advice is stick to multipes of 25. The additional costs for the 3 were not worth the cost. 

3 minutes ago, dfx1 said:

When you say “box”, what do you mean? A specific box that CGC stocks that holds 25 comics or any old box they have laying around that they randomly use to ship product with. Or do they use the packaging they received it in (your packaging).

Years ago, I believe the maximum in a return shipment was 30. However, the newer holders weigh more and I believe were lowered to 25.  No, CGC does not use any old box.