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As usual, with great comics, it was a fusion of words and pictures.

I’ve long ago learned to give Ditko and Kirby enormous respect for their contributions to early Marvel characters and stories.  It makes me somewhat sad to think there’s a good chance Steve and Jack never understood that veteran comic book fans know that they were co-creators of these wonderful characters.

4 hours ago, Avi said:

yes please pump this some more!

Posting actual sales isn't pumping, at least to me...

11 hours ago, lou_fine said:

Not sure why you would say they are "undervalued" if they are everywhere, be most issues being available for a buck (or possibly even less)?  

Sounds more like the definition of "overvlaued" to me.  

There's always the sense they're undervalued, because classic artist, fondly remembered time and run - but, no, as you say, they're everywhere...

That's why value is always a function of supply AND demand.  In this case, the supply will keep these books' value down.

On ‎1‎/‎21‎/‎2020 at 12:08 PM, Steelrain41 said:

Green Goblin- especially when he took over shield just because he killed the Skrull queen. Marvel lost me at that point.

The real Green Goblin's proper story arc ended with his death in ASM 122.  Shame on Marvel for bringing him back.

2 hours ago, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

There's a perfectly appropriate thread in Bronze to discuss the relative merits of these bronze books

Somewhere, there's a perfectly appropriate OCD thread for this line of thinking...

Get well, Bob.

15 hours ago, divad said:

19 hours ago, fastballspecial said:

I didn't spec on MSE 15 at all as I thought like an old collector who thought that book was junk.

Except that it wasn't . . . ever.

I think it probably fell into the category of ‘unloved key’ for many years, certainly from the end of the MoKF run, until the Marvel movie hype years.  Junk is a bit too harsh a term, but it’s a book you could ask for and receive from dealers a significant Sunday discount at shows.

1 hour ago, James_ny1 said:

They got their information directly from the distributor, so.........

How is anyone supposed to believe global warming exists, when it’s always so shilly in here...? 

13 hours ago, mr_highgrade said:

Which Omnibuses are out of print? I thought most of them were always reprinted.

They do go back and reprint them, but printings are done in chunks, and so when the print run is sold out through the distributor level, after a while, prices start to climb.   As an example, ASM Omnibus vol 1 was reprinted, and so its price is reasonable, but Vols 2 and 3 fetch a premium, having not been reprinted.

I think Thor Vol 1 and Silver Surfer sell at a significant premium, as do the two Claremont/Lee X-Men volumes.

5 hours ago, Lazyboy said:

5 hours ago, 1950's war comics said:

year 1990 and beyond comics could be referred as "Dawn of the Drek"

No, that would be the 50s. Especially a certain genre.

Ironically, shots fired.  

57 minutes ago, kav said:

I suggest that 3 suction cups on the soles of your shoes would not enable you to climb anything.

They really suck...

1 hour ago, showcase4 said:

Ok.... what am I missing? 
last month I sold a STUNNING 9.8 for $61 ( this ain’t no 9.8! )

Not sure...

You've done a good job hyping the book here...

66? 

You could pass for 46.

Thanks for the update.  Good to hear you’re well. 

On 9/30/2019 at 7:03 PM, musicmeta said:

A Moon Knight #14 in CGC 9.8 White just sold on ebay for an INCREDIBLE price of $1,105.  I really wanted it but the bidding got to rich for my blood.  Hopefully, people will start sending their #14's in for grading and more 9.8's will turn up.
#14 is the only issue I need to complete the 1st series all in 9.8 White....38 issues.  I only have the #14 in 9.6 white. 

Drop me a PM. 

Looking to sell some stuff, would be happy to give you a favorable price.

34 minutes ago, paul747 said:

They lock threads for spelling errors?

Your damn right they do!

10 minutes ago, manetteska said:

53 minutes ago, 500Club said:

`High grade` encompasses grades other than 9.8.  That`s a point that`s been lost on modern slab collectors.  It seems facetious to say that high grade is `higher than mid grade`, but that`s the truth of the matter.  Traditionally, that transition been seen to happen in the VF range.

The above book is high grade.

Yeah, all that, except the listing description says it's NM/M.

I suppose that`s a hair that could be split.

It does tend to alienate potential posters, though, as you can see by donut withdrawing his post.   It`s not like there was a rusted staple or sub crease.

2 hours ago, Second Blight said:

3 hours ago, FlyingDonut said:

Lets keep it clean boys. I'll start. This was pleasant, seeing as I paid 43 cents for it.

What exactly is " high grade " ? I see many flaws...

`High grade` encompasses grades other than 9.8.  That`s a point that`s been lost on modern slab collectors.  It seems facetious to say that high grade is `higher than mid grade`, but that`s the truth of the matter.  Traditionally, that transition been seen to happen in the VF range.

The above book is high grade.

Also, mods, can you sweep up the old thread and unlock it, please.

3 minutes ago, Second Blight said:

24 minutes ago, 500Club said:

PS: Does anyone know if store variants are included in the Comichron numbers? Or, how about when Marvel double ships, as with the above mentioned Agents of Atlas? 

Store variants are included in the Comichron order numbers. Double Ships arent, since they are freebies and not ordered by stores.

How often have these freebie overships been happening over the last couple of years?  I know of a few examples.  Any B+M store owners here to answer?

1 hour ago, paul747 said:

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Note as well that the Diamond figure is probably going to be only 80-85% of the overall circulation. The drilldowns for Spider-Man, for example, include another 10,000 or so subscribers and an additional 10,000 or so copies sold on newsstands.

 

 This is a reasonable quote. from someone that's in touch with the business.   i would bet many print runs are not much over 20 percent of final order cutoff. just a guess sue me !

It is reasonable.  It also helps to illustrate how tough this proposition is.

Since the quote, newsstand sales no longer exist.  So now, we have a cut point where the actual number changes.  Any guess using Comichron has to take that into account.  In addition, the rise in popularity of comic properties worldwide has likely affected international orders and sales.  Take the orders for Aero's debut in Agents of Atlas, for example.  I think the one Phillipino shop ordered very large on the book, enough to skew percentages.

It really is a guessing game, and the unknown part of the print run varies from book to book, and pre and post newsstand.

PS: Does anyone know if store variants are included in the Comichron numbers? Or, how about when Marvel double ships, as with the above mentioned Agents of Atlas? 

1 minute ago, Jaydogrules said:

5 minutes ago, steveinthecity said:

I'm fine with 5% to account for shrink, but going back 5 or 10 years how would one arrive at a ballpark figure that included subs, newsstand, or any foreign distribution?   

Foreign distribution tops out at about 10%, newsstands probably less than that going back 10 years, but my data on that isn't as certain.  

I'm not sure you have ANY data.  All I've seen is a vague reference to 'some larger retailers' claiming the overprint is 5%.

15 hours ago, fastballspecial said:

For as hard as they are to find I don't see Marvel's Vampire variants from years ago
selling that well. I tried to make a set for awhile and gave up just I think much harder
then the circulation numbers suggest.

It’s going to be very interesting as the years go forward to see which, if any, of the themed monthly variants or B covers get any love.