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Is it? Maybe in some cases. How about the money spent on CGC 9.8 Sixth Gun 1s? How about the fire sales you occasionally see in sales threads? Dismissing it as disposable income is putting lipstick on a pig.

No anger here. In fact, no emotion at all. Just discussing underlying causes for the rise of the book. Do you ever watch CNBC? When someone argues a bear case for a stock, or is skeptical about a sudden parabolic rise in that stock's price, do you think that analyst is mad about the price rise, or is upset he/she missed the boat on that stock? It is possible to discuss these things without ulterior motive or emotion.

This point is completely valid. If Livewire demand was being driven by fans of the character, who want to own and read her appearances, SA 22 shouldn't have been skipped over in the recent jumps in price and demand. It's an Internet hype fuelled gold rush. That's silly. A sale still needs to be consummated. You naysayers don't understand a free market. (Nor do you own any HG copies of these books). Focus. We're not discussing whether sales are occurring. We're discussing WHY sales are occurring. It's an upward spiral created by a sequence of greater fools, as fingh outlined earlier in the thread. The only question is: who is the last in line? And, having been involved in equities for fifteen years, I'll gladly match my knowledge of markets and market forces against yours, especially if you embrace the specious third grade level argument that naysayers must simply not own the books. If you think the rise in prices is indicative of a sudden intrinsic value in the character or stories then you must think the Dutch really valued tulips in the 1600s. So which Livewire appearances do you own? All of the SA ones, as I had all the DC adventures titles on my pull list. Seriously, though, arguing naysayers must not own the books is ridiculous, as is the flip side argument, which is to accuse the folks arguing for the book as pump-and-dumpers. So are you saying that no percentage of naysayers exist who would try to cool the market value of the book because they missed the boat? How can you know that for sure? Does one exist? Yup, there's a chance. Just ask Lauren Holly. This book is a recent phenomenon, though. Instead of expending effort on trying to cool it, I'd think someone who missed the boat might just hit LCSs to find one.

This. Don't buy the tulips. Sell the tulips.

This point is completely valid. If Livewire demand was being driven by fans of the character, who want to own and read her appearances, SA 22 shouldn't have been skipped over in the recent jumps in price and demand. It's an Internet hype fuelled gold rush. That's silly. A sale still needs to be consummated. You naysayers don't understand a free market. (Nor do you own any HG copies of these books). Focus. We're not discussing whether sales are occurring. We're discussing WHY sales are occurring. It's an upward spiral created by a sequence of greater fools, as fingh outlined earlier in the thread. The only question is: who is the last in line? And, having been involved in equities for fifteen years, I'll gladly match my knowledge of markets and market forces against yours, especially if you embrace the specious third grade level argument that naysayers must simply not own the books. If you think the rise in prices is indicative of a sudden intrinsic value in the character or stories then you must think the Dutch really valued tulips in the 1600s. So which Livewire appearances do you own? All of the SA ones, as I had all the DC adventures titles on my pull list. Seriously, though, arguing naysayers must not own the books is ridiculous, as is the flip side argument, which is to accuse the folks arguing for the book as pump-and-dumpers.

This point is completely valid. If Livewire demand was being driven by fans of the character, who want to own and read her appearances, SA 22 shouldn't have been skipped over in the recent jumps in price and demand. It's an Internet hype fuelled gold rush. So none of the hype was generated by her insertion into the new 52? No. It's the same false premise as the Joker's Daughter excitement of last fall.

This point is completely valid. If Livewire demand was being driven by fans of the character, who want to own and read her appearances, SA 22 shouldn't have been skipped over in the recent jumps in price and demand. It's an Internet hype fuelled gold rush. That's silly. A sale still needs to be consummated. You naysayers don't understand a free market. (Nor do you own any HG copies of these books). Focus. We're not discussing whether sales are occurring. We're discussing WHY sales are occurring. It's an upward spiral created by a sequence of greater fools, as fingh outlined earlier in the thread. The only question is: who is the last in line? And, having been involved in equities for fifteen years, I'll gladly match my knowledge of markets and market forces against yours, especially if you embrace the specious third grade level argument that naysayers must simply not own the books. If you think the rise in prices is indicative of a sudden intrinsic value in the character or stories, then you must think the Dutch really valued tulips in the 1600s.

This point is completely valid. If Livewire demand was being driven by fans of the character, who want to own and read her appearances, SA 22 shouldn't have been skipped over in the recent jumps in price and demand. It's an Internet hype fuelled gold rush.

See the Saga thread. Phony Image blanks.

Yup. It's been a long time since artists were rock stars. I can't help but think we'll see the hot artist phenomenon again, but I sure as hell don't see any candidates at present.

Same thing that happens in an NFL game when a shoe pops out of a pile of players. Invariably, some dumb lineman thinks it's a football and dives on it.

That's Jim Lee's first X-Men work, not his first work. It'd have more potential if Marvel hadn't systematically eroded the X-Men comic franchise over the last 20 years with a combination of poor stories and overexposure. I thought he did a backup story in Xmen classics? Racking my brain. Coming up with nothing. May have to do some research.

Wondering if you've ever suggested this to your brother...? Yeah....and guess where that got me

Wondering if you've ever suggested this to your brother...?

That's Jim Lee's first X-Men work, not his first work. It'd have more potential if Marvel hadn't systematically eroded the X-Men comic franchise over the last 20 years with a combination of poor stories and overexposure.

Fairly certain it's her only appearance EVER. Yup, interestingly enough she was created by Dan Slott. People think my predictions are laughable Not I, good sir. I don't agree with all of them, but there's solid rationale behind them, and your batting average is pretty good.

Hmm, even they only had one copy. I pulled my copy . . . it's an ad on the letters page for the next issue. If that blows your skirt up, make me an offer! Earth to comic-buying public: These do NOT constitute appearances. It's her image on that page. That's an appearance no matter what the market says and you can be damn sure that if BA 11 had an image of Harley ( which is does not! ) it would sell out everywhere in a matter of moments. There's appearance as written in the Oxford dictionary, and there's appearance as understood by comic book collectors. Words in the English language are often co-opted for use in ways that do not reflect their literal meaning. If someone calls you 'bro', do you think they are a family member? By "as understood by comic collectors" you must be referring to the comic's market value or presence in the narrative otherwise a first appearance should be determined by the definition of the word. This is the crux. You feel the market should see things the way you do. It doesn't. Never has. You are NEVER going to be able to dictate to the market that appearance should be the literal definition. You, the tail, will not be able to wag the dog.

Hmm, even they only had one copy. I pulled my copy . . . it's an ad on the letters page for the next issue. If that blows your skirt up, make me an offer! Earth to comic-buying public: These do NOT constitute appearances. It's her image on that page. That's an appearance no matter what the market says and you can be damn sure that if BA 11 had an image of Harley ( which is does not! ) it would sell out everywhere in a matter of moments. There's appearance as written in the Oxford dictionary, and there's appearance as understood by comic book collectors. Words in the English language are often co-opted for use in ways that do not reflect their literal meaning. If someone calls you 'bro', do you think they are a family member?

Is this another pseudo-appearance? An ad, perhaps? Photo of the next issue cover in the letters page?

I recognize Chevy Chase. Who are the other guys?

*shrug* Okee Dokee.. I just find the perception that retailers are the Keystone cops & CGC board members are shrewd in the know businessmen, hilarious. Don't take it personally. You know your stuff. Many of your brethren do not.

Your quality retailer estimate is on the high side. Sadly, most LCS owners are fairly nice guys who love comic books, but are poor businessmen.

I agree. It was my least favorite Frank but somebody must like it. Maybe it will make a better TV show. The last three issues are quite hard to find. Many 16 year olds like me gave up on it after issue 3.

That can happen when they put the books up for sale before Diamond confirms the order requirements, I guess. A calculated gamble to get early order business.