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You sold it too soon, noob. It was already in the ComicLink auction, jerkus Still sold it to soon, rookie....... BTW, what grade did that Ms. Marvel #1 you bought off of me in Calgary come back at - was it a 9.6? 9.4 Should've told him it was the 9.8.

I find this argument specious. The reverse is the suggestion you have no second prints, hence your stance.

This IS true. I'll add to it below. None significant, that I can come up with. Just MOS 18, and now ASM 361 is threatening to be the second. However, that's not two out of thousands. There's only so many key first apps in the 1987 to 1995 time frame that had later printings. To the above, I can think of NM 87 and NM 100, and NM 100 is pretty soft. So, in terms of past performance, I'm going to take into account the rise of MOS 4th and 5th printings, and the trend towards the ASM 361 second printing. I think there's enough going on to not dismiss the idea that the hobby may gravitate to these later printings.

+1 This. (thumbs u -J. Oh, you like that, huh? So do I! It's the epitome of my quote 'A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds', the very quote you proceeded to argue a couple of pages back. There are no absolutes. And, speaking of consistencies, what is it with your collection of different sized scans? Do you have 20 different printers?

This is one of the rare instances that the first prints seem more desirable than the second. I've noticed this on raws, as well as graded: At this time that appears to be true. The gap is closing recently. Last year it was crazy to see a 2nd printing get over $100+ in 9.8. This year they have been sales of 9.8 2nd printing in the $200's. That's a big gain in less than 365. Just right behind the 1st printing in 9.8 also in the $200's. I'm interested to see if the 2nd printing pulls ahead. (thumbs u If the only thing significant about the book is its current perception of "rarity", I wouldn't count on it. The vast majority of collectors want the first print of books like this. The second printing doesn't rank much above novelty status. It is the first print that is the "key". It is the first print that will go NM 98-style nuclear if/when a movie announcement is made, and it will be the one everyone will be chasing. (thumbs u -J. Be careful. 'A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.' There are a number of examples now where later printings are more desirable. You may end up being right, but I could see things going he other way.

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(thumbs u Beginning in the 1995-2000 era, newsstand circulation contracted dramatically. Cover price increases ended the days of LCSs ordering large numbers of copies of books beyond what was needed for files. In 1989, when McFarlane Spidey was really heating up, my LCS had large numbers of extra copies in the back room. Now, it's rare that an LCS could tie up that much capital. The only thing arguing against this effect is the seeming lack of run collectors nowadays. There may never be a ton of demand for run books with no key features. Books that become keys, though...

Did Silver Sable getting a solo book in 1992 mean anything? Did Deathlok getting a solo book in 1991 AND 1999 mean anything? Did Cable getting a solo book in 1993 mean anything? Did Spiderwoman getting a solo book in 2000 mean anything? Did Lobo having endless minis throughout the 90's mean anything? We are talking about the value and demand of the first appearance, not whether the character was published or not. Lots and lots of characters are published, whose first appearances aren't worth much. Deadpool was one of them, from the time the "heat" faded after his first mini, until about 2009. This is really silly. If you are a blip in 1993 and then forgotten you wouldn't have a ongoing monthly title come out 4 years later. That's not his point. His point is that there was enough baseline interest in the character that he got a solo title, but he wasn't red hot until a few years back. Certainly, in 1997, when the first solo series was launched, the rabid Deadpool buyers and Cosplayers did not exist yet.

Only the legs? It's the first appearance of Deadpool's feet.

Even though I'm a Marvel guy, this was one arc I had to complete. If you are into reading comics, I think it's worth getting all four issues. Don't stop there. Get issues 26-41 as well, which shows the genesis of the Judas Contract arc.

The art doesn't have to be completely utilitarian, but it should fulfill its mandate of telling a story. The great artists did both; told the story and made the reader think and look twice.

It's crazy how subjective art is and how different people are. I enjoy trying to figure out what's going on in a panel. I generally enjoy impressionistic art. I respect your opinion, but it think it's silly to say comics "should" be a certain way. No sillier than saying a car should get you from point A to point B. n.b. the bolded

+1 Turner was amazing. This is still one of the best covers i've ever seen I'd never seen that cover. We lost a monster talent.

Just did sorry not a problem (thumbs u wow...I just can't see it man. Howard the duck?! This might backfire. Once you've sold the audience on a gun toting raccoon and a talking tree, a cigar chomping duck is just a short trip down the road.

The art is terrible. The primary job of a comic book artist is to draw panels that flow well and tell a story. Somewhere, in the last ten years, that's been replaced by blurry, impressionistic art. A reader shouldn't have to look at a panel for an extended period of time to parse out what the image is trying to convey. I don't find it a coincidence that there hasn't been a hot artist since Michael Turner burst upon the scene. Even Don Newton told a story better than your average current artist.

There was a thread here a while back that linked to an article detailing Platt's time at Liefeld's studio. The thing that struck me was Liefeld recounting being annoyed with Platt's inability to meet a deadline. Rob Liefeld!

Don't worry about derailing. It's the essence of organic conversation and debate.

That is your definition of first appearance, as you've stated many times, and it's correct from a strict dictionary standpoint. However, as comic books are a storytelling medium, what is collected as first appearances is usually character involvement in a narrative, not Previews ads, CSN stories, flyers, coupons or inter-office memos. Once again, despite the dictionary, if someone calls you 'bro', don't assume they're your brother. This definition is not a dictionary definition, it comes right outta Overstreet! It does, indeed. I seriously doubt, however, that Overstreet foresaw someone using that definition to justify their views that Previews, CSN, promo pamphlets and letter page ads are first appearances. The hobby as a whole has rejected that concept. And, if you want to embrace Overstreet as the ultimate arbiter of the market, you should load up on Conan 3's. It's scarce.

It's a good question. My personal thoughts are several posts above, where I speculate that 619 will see the most attention. I'm not sure how the market will treat this one, but I'd lean toward it being dismissed as simply an image of the character, and not a canonical appearance. You are right, though, in that this IS the age of the slab.

Reah!!!! Like... wow, Scoob! I'll try a couple of issues!

Cool concept. Shaggy art.

That is your definition of first appearance, as you've stated many times, and it's correct from a strict dictionary standpoint. However, as comic books are a storytelling medium, what is collected as first appearances is usually character involvement in a narrative, not Previews ads, CSN stories, flyers, coupons or inter-office memos. Once again, despite the dictionary, if someone calls you 'bro', don't assume they're your brother.

Posted a month ago. As a follow up, in response to Nate's request to 'stop going easy on him', I never went easy on him. But I will now. I admire him for being open and honest, congratulate him and ES for the great six issues they produced, and wish him the best in sorting out his life.

My guess is that if Hush begins to be widely collected, then 619 will get most of the attention, followed by 609, and then the 608 RRP. Currently, the RRP's price tag is such that you'd really have to be a hardcore Hush collector to want that as an appearance. The market has been pretty rational in rejecting minor character depictions as 'first appearances', Jimmy Olsen 134 notwithstanding.