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Absolutely ridiculous For those that did not see it, october's post was professional and had absolutely nothing bad to say about the seller.

The 3% adder is often an advertisement that the seller will take PP personal from anyone. As such, they generally go in the "less than scrupulous" category for me.

You can retract a non-accepted offer at any time without any repercussions. .

Regional Rate is available through ebay Media Mail is still not approved for any literature with advertisements

I assume it was scanned as "delivered", however, you did not receive it. If it is scanned as "delivered" on USPS.com, Paypal will side with the shipper. No difference if it had shipped Priority. This time of year lots of packages are simply left on doorsteps with barely a knock on the door.

Don't ever speak to me. If this works, I am totally changing tactics here in the future! Drat! Back to the original plan!

as are all porcupines when just chatting with them on the internet...

I am sorry to hear this. Just seeing his avatar always brought a smile to my face. Heartfelt condolences to his family and friends.

Please explain why these "pass through" outlays which are out-of-pocket business expenses associated with someone (your friend) doing business and getting paid for doing it......is considered by you to be the same as paying back someone for lunch and not subject to fees? Artist charges $10 per sig. I get 20 books signed. Artist charges $200. Facilitator pays that $200. That $200 is paid back by me to the Facilitator via Paypal personal, and has nothing to do with the charge the Facilitator may charge me for their service. The facilitator didn't make any money on that aspect of the situation. They simply paid the artist on my behalf. That's one of the things Paypal personal is for, specifically, as defined. No it is not. Personal Payments are specifically defined in Paypal's T&Cs 16. Definitions: "Personal Payment" means amounts sent between two individuals (not to or from a business) without a purchase. Examples of Personal Payments include sending a gift to a friend or paying a friend back for your share of a lunch bill. Of course it is about Who you are sending money to. That is why they reference using it for "friends and family" and specifically exclude payments "to or from a business" The only reason they cover the WHY is due to people stretching the definition of "friends". You will note that all of the examples they use, such as "Gift, Living Expense (like rent or utilities), Reimbursing a friend for your share of a restaurant check, or Repaying money that a family member loaned you" are in no way business expenses. When you are sending payments to facilitators and when your customers are sending payments to you, these transactions are business transactions, to and from a business. That is not correct. I am "paying a friend back" for payment they fronted me (as noted in the definition.) Just like the friend who pays for my share of lunch. Is a business the ultimate recipient? Yes. It is NOT a "purchase", because I am not buying something from these facilitators. I am not buying goods and/or services from these facilitators for that portion of the money that goes to other entities. That payment, if any, for their services is a separate transaction, for their services, and yes, must be paid for the regular way. It is correct Unless you are claiming both: 1. that all the facilitators are your friends AND you are sending them money without a purchase. You fully admit there is a purchase involved, because you are splitting it out as payment for their business services 2. All your customers are your friends AND they are sending you money without purchases Again you fully admit to being paid for work on their books and splitting out a portion of the transaction for CGC fees In your situation, these are not "friends" nor are they examples of "your share of a lunch bill". You are acting as a business to your customers and your facilitators (who are also a business) and the payments made are integral portions of a business transaction. It seems clear that you are simply justifying your current position, based on when you used to do this for fun (ala comix4fun) when you actually would have met the terms and conditions laid out by Paypal. 16. Definitions: "Personal Payment" means amounts sent between two individuals (not to or from a business) without a purchase. Examples of Personal Payments include sending a gift to a friend or paying a friend back for your share of a lunch bill.

No, actually, if you read what I wrote I clearly state that an agreement by a buyer to accept the responsibility for the item in transit, expressly stated, negates the sellers responsibility at the point of shipment as long as reasonable care is used in packing and the item was as promised at the point of shipment. It's a concept as old as shipping. I did read what you wrote. Your first couple of posts only address buyers declining insurance. I have already pointed out that this does NOT mean the buyer is waiving FOB delivered The seller can't simply say: "Do you want insurance on your books?" and assume a buyers "No" or "I don't need insurance" is an acceptance of FOB shipping point. Now does that mean the seller and buyer can not agree to expressly change terms to FOB shipping point. Sure they can. But as a practical matter I would caution you to only accept such terms from buyers you trust. Paypal will not review your contract with your buyer and will refund them out of hand for any claim, when items are not delivered or are not as described, due to shipping damage. Ebay used to be littered with claims of sellers who were talked into using untrackable First Class Mail international, due to high shipping costs and whose buyers initiated Item Not Received claims days after shipment. Paypal automatically upheld these cases. Thus, feel free to establish your own terms all you like. Yes, they are a binding contract. But it won't help you get the money back out of Paypal when they refund your buyer.

I believe you mean a buyer shouldn't have to pay extra...

You are conflating a buyers refusal to pay for insurance costs with relinquishing their rights to claims for damages or loss.

Theres another can of worms, "no returns" I guess if you get a damaged slab or shaken damaged book like the ones Wally posted...you're skrewed? No worms. You offer insurance. They take it and insurance can be claimed. They pass and you pack in a reasonable way it's on them for passing. No returns is only undone for material breach ( you sent something materially different than agreed upon ) just like in any other business deal. Pretty simple I'm going to disagree here. Insurance is for the seller, not the buyer. If the seller ships uninsured and the book gets damaged; well that seller is out of luck because the buyer paid for a book in a particular condition and is entitled to that book or a full refund. Unless insurance is offered and the buyer expressly waives. Express waiver trumps damage in transit if the damage is the reason the item is substantially different than sold. Ebay sellers used to request additional $ for insurance or even send invoices with additional insurance tacked on (that is also why you used to see a lot more auctions that said "wait for my invoice"). Some sellers didn't know that it was not allowed, others were just angle shooting, knowing that they would get some percentage of buyers to pay this unnecessary charge. I just paid immediately after purchase, before they could send an invoice. If the seller ever asked me later if I wanted insurance, I surely would have said no. As such, I was not changing the terms of my purchase to FOB sales point (where I would be at risk of loss after it left the seller), the terms were still FOB delivered (where the seller was at risk, until it was accepted by me). Any product you pay for with paypal requires the seller to deliver said product to the buyer in the condition described. There is no need for a buyer to pay an additional amount for insurance.

Priority does not have to be signed for. USPS must have a record that it was delivered edit to add: It could easily have been delivered to another business in the same general area.

Your right. I really don't see any reason to go any further past here in RMAs case: "Personal Payment" means amounts sent between two individuals (not to or from a business)

I think he "got a pass" because reimbursement of a forwarded expense is what paypal means when they discuss the use of the personal option. In fact one of the options under the classic site setup was "money owed". It's outside of a retail purchase or a profit setting. It's a straight up reimbursement. That can me for rent, or lunch, or money I paid Perez so he'd sign some books. I'm outta pocked, now I'm not anymore. It is a straight up reimbursement when it is to your friend for a non-commercial expense This is still listed: Payment Owed - Use this payment type for things like reimbursing a friend for your share of a restaurant check, or repaying money that a family member loaned you. RMA is using it for commercial purposes between businesses or between his business and customers in a manner which benefits his business. His use is not outside of a retail purchase or profit setting.

eh, so I was late to the party, however in reading 300+ posts in one sitting, it seemed like other than the one mention by bababooey, RMA got a pass on this, especially after ratcheting up the rhetoric with accusations of thievery

Please explain why these "pass through" outlays which are out-of-pocket business expenses associated with someone (your friend) doing business and getting paid for doing it......is considered by you to be the same as paying back someone for lunch and not subject to fees? Artist charges $10 per sig. I get 20 books signed. Artist charges $200. Facilitator pays that $200. That $200 is paid back by me to the Facilitator via Paypal personal, and has nothing to do with the charge the Facilitator may charge me for their service. The facilitator didn't make any money on that aspect of the situation. They simply paid the artist on my behalf. That's one of the things Paypal personal is for, specifically, as defined. No it is not. Personal Payments are specifically defined in Paypal's T&Cs 16. Definitions: "Personal Payment" means amounts sent between two individuals (not to or from a business) without a purchase. Examples of Personal Payments include sending a gift to a friend or paying a friend back for your share of a lunch bill. Of course it is about Who you are sending money to. That is why they reference using it for "friends and family" and specifically exclude payments "to or from a business" The only reason they cover the WHY is due to people stretching the definition of "friends". You will note that all of the examples they use, such as "Gift, Living Expense (like rent or utilities), Reimbursing a friend for your share of a restaurant check, or Repaying money that a family member loaned you" are in no way business expenses. When you are sending payments to facilitators and when your customers are sending payments to you, these transactions are business transactions, to and from a business.

You probably read an issue from the all-out war story line... That was pretty bad. Start from the beginning and you might enjoy it. Ummm, you haven't been keeping up with 50's war

Maybe people can take ownership of their sales threads? It doesn't cost anything to sell here. The least they can do is follow the rules. I don't want a default return time. I want the seller to be proactive and actually think about their policies. From the discussion, it became abundantly clear that peoples opinion about what constituted a legitimate return and the time frame in which claims needed to be made varied significantly. I was unpleasantly surprised by some of the opinions regarding restoration returns.

I generally do not pack and ship a box until it has sold. For one, packaging 15-20 boxes takes up a decent amount of space. I've got a home office and when I do shipping I convert the room into a shipping room, fold up table, shipping boxes, tape, bubble wrap, peanuts and of course comics all come out from their various storage areas. I've done pre-packaged boxes before. The first time I did them I ended up having to repackage so many of them because I was adding content to help sales that I decided it wasn't worth it to pre-package unsold boxes. Another time I did pre-packaged boxes, I had some left over after a thread and lost my list of contents so I had to re-open them so again...not worth the time to pre-package. Also if someone says "Hey I'm going to buy this Mystery Box but I want Batman books", it's hard to say "Okay I'll do that for you" if all your boxes for sale are pre-packaged. Say MB 35 with Batman books. If MB 35 is already pre-packaged then I've got to shelve that one and replace it with a Batman box, so again not worth the time to pre-package. If they are not preset and you tailor them for individuals, how are they random? I'm confused. Ideally, the recipient of specific mystery boxes should be unknown to the seller. Otherwise there is a temptation to play favorites.

I don't understand how this is viable long term. If everyone pays $150 and is "guaranteed" a minimum $150 value, but there are a few winners who get $200-300 value, how is that tenable from a business standpoint? Unless we are talking "Retail" values? In which case, there would be a lot of butthurt....

I think it is a bad idea to assume disrespect from either buyer or seller simply because of the price point of a single offer. It is far easier to set auto decline as a seller if for some reason you feel "disrespected" below $XXXX price point. Much easier than wading through all of the insufficiently_thoughtful_person imo (but not necessarily disrespectful) pricing on ebay.

Do no dealers in the UK stock comic boxes? Comic boxes are easily obtainable in the UK It is when you get to countries that don't have comic book stores, that it really just doesn't make sense for some people to pay $35US to ship over a "comic" box when the collector can find an equivalent for $5 locally