Silverdream

Yes. But what about Agents #6? I thought I answered that. I would argue that Agents 6 should be a much bigger book than it is - it is clearly the first appearance of Rick Grimes, as a "preview", and it says in the book "Continued in Walking Dead 1", which implies that the Agents 6 is the first part of the story. Of course, I'm only saying this because I can get about 50 of them, but still. I think agents # 6 is undervalued. Is it a first appearance? No. It's a preview. The story is continued in WD # 1... on Page # 7. If the story in Agents 6 or Capes for that matter was a " lead-in" to # 1 it would be different. It's not however, its just the first few pages of #1 used to push sales. It's an Ad. With such a huge following for Walking dead, being a WD# 1 preview, I don't understand why its not a $100 book. With all the money going around in comics these days, I see $100 being wasted all over the place. I wouldn't consider Agents 6 or Capes a bad purchase.

I got a Large stack of them just waiting for the price adjustment. I'm a fan of ASM #359. I can only see that one going up. It's funny you are joking about the ad picture for #361 on the letter pages of # 359. Its pretty cool, and one could argue it's importance and collectability for the issue, but that doesn't make it a first appearance, as has been talked about here. However. ASM # 359 IS in fact, the first appearance of Carnage. In comic terms, its a cameo, but his first " in story" appearance is on Page 16 of Amazing Spider-man # 359. He isn't named, and his full costume is not shown, but we see Kasady using the words " we" speaking of himself and the alien symbiote. Then we see him attack a guard with the red alien symbiote that is carnage. At that moment Kasady is no longer just Kasady, He has merged with the alien and has become Carnage. The next issue, # 360 we see him, in full, naming himself as Carnage. Its a single page splash, and still considered by most as a cameo. ASM 361 will always be the top book. It's a Cover thing, and full appearance thing. It would be a mistake to dismiss 359 or 360 in my mind, however.

Apparently it has to be an in story appearance to count as a true first appearance. Pin ups and ads don't count. Previews don't count. That being said, it probably still has value, if the right collectors are aware of it. So what if the preview itself is a story? I'm talking DCP #26 and New Teen Titans #16. And if so, would Walking Dead 127 Image Expo jan 2014 fall into the same category? Are these the 1st apps of the New Teen Titans, Captain Carrot and Outcast? I apologize for bringing a modern into the discussion but it's a pretty good example. FTFY Agents 6? Here's where it gets murky, but it needn't be. If it's original material, a la DCP #26, (among many, many others that DC did throughout the 80's), that isn't then printed elsewhere, it's the first appearance. It is, after all, in the context of a story. Even though DC calls it a "preview", it's not actually a preview...it's really "New Teen Titans #0." If it's just a few pages from a book that is officially intended to be printed in another book...a la Absolute Vertigo #1 and, I believe, the WD previews of Agents #6 and Capes #1, then it's not the first appearance...it's just a preview of the actual first appearance. It's not original material, it's just the few pages from the "real issue" printed for advertising purposes. 100% agree.

+1000000000 Add me to the list of "True Believers". I concur. They can be " important" and " collectible" , but they are not first appearances.

Diggin through my longboxes... Amazed.

So which book came out first? Avengers 6 or Sgt. Fury 8? Both the same month, I know info like this is scarce, but its a pretty important question. I know the market has always ignored Sgt. Fury 8, as Avengers is the big title, and has the better cover. Also, didn't avengers #4 have a flashback appearance of Hienrich, before his actual " in" story appearance? Same day: Registration Number / Date: RE0000599669 / 1992-12-15 Renewal registration for: B00000112139 / 1964-05-05 Title: Sgt. Fury. Vol. 1, no. 8, July 1964. By Bard Publishing Corporation. Copyright Claimant: Marvel Entertainment Group, Inc. (PCW made for hire) Variant title: Sgt. Fury Other Title: Sergeant Fury Names: Bard Publishing Corporation Marvel Entertainment Group, Inc. Registration Number / Date: RE0000599671 / 1992-12-15 Renewal registration for: B00000112176 / 1964-05-05 Title: The Avengers. Vol. 1, no. 6, July 1964. By Vista Publications, Inc. Copyright Claimant: Marvel Entertainment Group, Inc. (PCW made for hire) Variant title: The Avengers Names: Vista Publications, Inc. Marvel Entertainment Group, Inc. Appreciate that. So Avengers 6 it is! I'm sure Fury 8 will get some love at some point. It's just strange since the two books take place in different eras, while being released at the same time!

I like this.

Me, for selling all 3 of my OO Cap Zeck runs for barely $4 a book, 10 years ago to fund something else when I was broke. All minty fresh.

So which book came out first? Avengers 6 or Sgt. Fury 8? Both the same month, I know info like this is scarce, but its a pretty important question. I know the market has always ignored Sgt. Fury 8, as Avengers is the big title, and has the better cover. Also, didn't avengers #4 have a flashback appearance of Hienrich, before his actual " in" story appearance?

Be sure to put "first Captain America" in the auction title so there will be something new to talk about.

You know he's referring to you, right? The bottom line is, nobody gives a rat's azz if Hulk 180 is called a cameo, a brief first appearance, a first appearance, a one panel appearance, an intro, or whatever the hell term is being used. The book will be bought and sold based on its intrinsic value to a collector, no matter the verbiage used. Stop tilting at windmills. Been down this road before with this conversation. I just simply disagree with this statement. It might not matter to many of us here. It might not matter to seasoned collectors. It does however matter to the large influx of new collectors that have hit the scene in the last 5 years or so. Argue it all you want, it does matter, and it does affect the price of a book. If CGC changes books that they list as a characters first appearance, the money does move in the changes they make direction. The money of these new collectors mostly. Being perplexed as to why this is happening or wanting to call it silly doesn't really matter. It is happening. Many Copper and Modern age books nobody thought would EVER be worth anything are blowing up left and right. The cause is the same. Question it all you want. It's happening. Ive always had the opinion that CGC should either have a set way they list all first appearances, or just not list any at all. Using bad information and then changing what they put on slabs after hundreds have been submitted is just messed up. It doesn't matter if it's " bonus information" If its wrong, it's wrong, and a 3rd party shouldn't muddy the water and make it more confusing for these new collectors. The " people should just know, or too bad for them" concept is fine. I get it. I come from that era of " just knowing, or not knowing". Nobody was there to help us. Times change folks. That's why you keep going back in those longboxes shaking your head digging for the newest *hot* book, amazed. Personally, if I list a book for sale on eBay, I add " 1st app." in the title, if it is one. It matters... Well if I want a better auction or a higher chance at selling a book. Its a popular search term on eBay. It matters.

The Platt run 55-60 has always been a good seller. I still own 5 copies of each that I purchased from the racks, well my pull box anyways 55 and 57 were always the big ones. It seems these books get hot and cold every 5 years or so.

Not true (except for very few scans), but people aren't interested in an in-depth discussion, so I'll just say that. "market price" is a strange term to use since eBay was pure auction only back then, and everyone knows auctions are hit and miss on 99% of the stuff you put up for auction. Results vary widely. ( read: all over the place ) From what I recall of early eBaying, while some books did end at similar prices on the site, which started affecting the entire comic scene, many books could and were had very cheap because eBay was newer and many folks simply did not know how to list properly ( heck, that's still the case to some extent even now) Well known sellers always had an advantage , because the lack of scans and pictures made who you were buying from a lot more important , and those sellers got more bids for similar books being sold by weekend warrior types. So yes, the prices did vary quite a lot. As far as the Hi-jinx? Well... I think the equation of legit users vs scammers is about the same as it's always been. It was much easier to spot back then however. All of this, as always is my opinion. Disregard anyone attempting to sway you, stating their opinion as facts.

Yeah that's been for sale for about half a year. Whoever beat me to it, congrats. Only they will know what this means.

The ones signed and limited to 25 each for the Warriors of the Shadow Realm storyline? Yeah, those are cool, and just hard to find. Too bad there is nearly zero demand for Warriors of the Shadow Realm. Hmm Why are we even talking about this? Oh that's right, our insatiable need to show off our knowledge out of nowhere and out of context! Count me in!

Considering the only way that book got graded in one day is through walk through service which is $150 minimum, plus book cost, plus sig cost That book cost the seller $200 easily ( unless there are things going on we don't have information about ) If it sells for less than $300, its a failure in my mind. The notation is what sets the book apart, that is what will sell the book. The notation is where CGC went wrong. It's exactly the same thing as the Stan Lee Birthday signature book, most likely by the same group of people. This is what I was getting at last night with my questions. It could be a pre-sale but nowhere in the listing does it mention "will ship when I get back" and the picture looks pretty legit (i.e. not a photoshop of the raw comic with CGC on top). Though the 3/15 date at the top is interesting. Something is afoot and it smells like garbage. That is the actual book, no question in my mind. It is not a pre-sale. The seller has it in hand. The 3/15 date is just Marvel dating their books 2 months ahead like they have done for decades. I thought they stopped doing that recently, but I guess not. Sure looks absurd on the slab though! Before we get ahead of ourselves. The problem here isn't really how fast the books were graded. If they paid for walkthrough, then that's fine. The problem is the Notation. It's not something they " sell " as a service. I have to assume these books would not have been submitted using walkthrough without prior understanding that this notation would be on there. It wouldn't be worth it without it. It was part of the deal, and that's the problem. Lets not go down a road about CGC employees, as I don't think that has anything to do with this. Well, besides the high ups that made the call for this notation. Edit: What I'm saying is that this isn't an inside job where a few cgc employees hooked each other up with a sweet notation. There is no reason for a conspiracy theory. CGC ponied up a special notation, to make a few grand on these submissions and to make a large submitter happy. Nothing more, nothing less. The Stan Lee birthday book was ASM 700 SS with a notation that said " signed on Stan Lee's 90th birthday" There are others out there with a 91st birthday notation

Right, I just don't think they can actively sell.

It was always my understanding that CGC employees are not supposed to actively buy and sell comics. I am not sure about just " collecting". I assume they still can.

Considering the only way that book got graded in one day is through walk through service which is $150 minimum, plus book cost, plus sig cost That book cost the seller $200 easily ( unless there are things going on we don't have information about ) If it sells for less than $300, its a failure in my mind. The notation is what sets the book apart, that is what will sell the book. The notation is where CGC went wrong. It's exactly the same thing as the Stan Lee Birthday signature book, most likely by the same group of people.

$250 The only thing working against him is that he auctioned this book for 10 days.. I would put it for 3 days being that its hot hot hottt Having said that tree fiddy Putting my hat in on this, my bet is $750 + Ebayers these days are crazy.

I went on a mini rant, when I did not have all of the facts. Nothing wrong with Marvel asking him for it, or even him shopping it to them. Either way, its a nice piece, and yes I think wearing a costume would have been much cooler.

I would say the color rub on the spine near the top staple will keep it out of 9.8 consideration. From what I see, it is a 9.6. Although one or two very tiny defects more, and it is a 9.4. We might not be able to see those unless they are in our hands.

Wow if they really use this one, whomever got the commissioned piece is going to have a windfall. That's pretty crazy. Sort of lame he is using a reused piece instead of creating something new. So it goes like this : Marvel calls Adam; "we need a Gwen Stacey cover for the first issue of Spider-Gwen. We will pay you YZZX dollars for it." 5 minutes later Adam calls them back, " ok guys , im done. Please deposit the money and I will Email you it" That's some pretty fast cash. I understand he retains the right to use his works, and im not saying anything is wrong with it, but wow. Oh, I see, Ron Lim is the owner.

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