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Didn't Marvel go through a period of time when they wanted artists to create their two page double page spreads on one to save money? It's described in this HA auction Listing . Maybe during this era Marvel was stamping 'amazing spiderman' AND putting the issue number on the blank art boards. It wouldn't be that surprising for these artists to just use their supplies and not use it in order.

I suppose it would help if you clarified what FMV means: Latest documented sale price An avg of the last handful of sales 30 day avg 90 day avg

Bad as can.

Alright, let's do this year with publisher data from Comichron ASM v2 #24 Oct00: ASM #465 (24) = 50,200...#14 for the month Sep00: ASM #464 (23) = 49,300...#18 for the month Aug00: ASM #463 (22) = 49,900...#13 for the month Jul00: ASM #462 (21) = 51,900...#14 for the month Jun00: ASM #461 (20) = 53,500...#12 for the month May00: ASM #460 (19) = 53,000...#12 for the month Apr00: ASM #459 (18) = 53,200...#16 for the month Msr00: ASM #458 (17) = 54,100...#14 for the month Feb00: ASM #457 (16) = 53,200...#15 for the month Jan00: ASM #456 (15) = 56,400...#13 for the month Dec99: ASM #455 (14) = 61,900...#11 for the month Nov99: ASM #454 (13) = 58,900...#13 for the month Oct99: ASM #453 (12) = 62,000...#11 for the month Now I'll concede that the second year of the ASM reboot was probably Marvel's best newsstand title...but we're at approximately 50/50 on each version sold in 2000. Juice it up with 5% intl and 7K in subs and the direct editions sold just might reach 60% of total copies sold but all the charts show 95 direct/5 newsstand in 2000.

I'm confused, just what is your graphic showing as the "50/50" point ? Is your graphic demonstrating that more direct copies were PRINTED as of 1986? Is your graphic demonstrating that more direct copies were sold vs. copies of newsstand copies sold^? (not returned) OR Is it something not based on number of copies printed or sold and simply based on your assessment of the current number of copies that survived, were graded by CGC and then listed and sold on ebay? It's hard to respond when your reasoning seems unrelated to production and sales. Some clarity on what your thought process was when you felt a need to create it, I was always under the impression it was "sold newsstands" vs direct copies....it'd be nice to settle that before we move on to nose picking stationary store clerks & 8 year old boys folding the comics in half to fit them in their back pocket.

Marvel stopped newsstand distribution at the end of 2013. We aren't dismissing those 4 years I think we're dismissing DC. I think someone fairly reliable posted that DC's statemrnts were garbage data but that could be true for some of the Marvel stuff...

If fixing the misconception of rarer newsstands for the 7 years prior to 1986 was the goal, congratulations! You've done it at the expense of the 17 plus years after 1986 and beyond. I recognize that the chart's original intent but the five year increments on the bottom are clear and the equivalence of the "lessening" on the left/right is also clear. The lack of specificity makes its message defensible with the statements you've added above & on your own site....but those caveats don't carry over to places like RARE COMICS who can host your graphic as a stepping stone to their Chucky charts. Unlike some here I have an appreciation for some of the content on that blog but the data sourcing flaw (chuck) hurts most of the conclusions reached. You're more than welcome to "level whatever" my raw numbers above to create more clarity for 2004 ASM sales, direct sales vs newsstand copies sold. Also a minor correction to my previous post ASM was a monthly title (14 issues/ year) at the time NOT 3X per month. I would even hypothesize that the 2000/2001 publishers statements are reflective of a secondary tipping point for this title's direct sales vs newsstands. The direct sales boost ASM enjoyed during the start of JMS' run (v2 #30) doesn't create much change in the publishers copies sold. Direct sales went from just under 50K to just under 100K in one year, that increase was obviously offset by lost sell-through at newsstands. Marvel has revisited this post reboot diminishing sales model hundreds of times since but the steadiness of holding a "copies sold" range between 113K and 124K from 2000 through 2004 is indicative of some stability in total sales for the title. A much larger portion of the copies sold during the Byrne v2 reboot were newsstand issues, in fact I would estimate that there are probably as many copies of some random ASM v2 newsstands as there are direct copies. That's 15 years after 1986.

The only way to get clarity from that data is to compare 2004 icv2/Comichron direct sales data to the publishers statement of ownership data you linked to on comichron's site. Oct04: ASM #513 = 89,615...#11 for the month Sep04: ASM #512 = 87,236...#14 for the month Aug04: ASM #511 = 88,118...#13 for the month Jul04: ASM #510 = 84,750...#11 for the month Jun04: ASM #509 = 88,289...#13 for the month Jun04: ASM #508 = 82,268...#16 for the month May04: ASM #507 = 81,944...#12 for the month Apr04: ASM #506 = 83,152...#15 for the month Mar04: ASM #505 = 83,613...#11 for the month Feb04: ASM #504 = 84,064...#11 for the month Jan04: ASM #503 = 87,341...#12 for the month Dec03: ASM #502 = 90,484...#12 for the month Nov03: ASM #501 = 94,558...#09 for the month Oct03: ASM #500 = 148,928...#02 for the month Sep03: ASM #499 (58) = 92,294...#12 for the month Aug03: ASM #498 (57) = 93,469...#09 for the month Aug03: ASM #497 (56) = 92,277...#10 for the month Jul03: ASM #496 (55) = 95,467...#08 for the month Jul03: ASM #495 (54) = 95,173...#09 for the month Jun03: ASM = None May03: ASM #494 (53) = 95,777...#07 for the month Apr03: ASM #493 (52) = 96,624...#04 for the month Mar03: ASM #492 (51) = 96,428...#05 for the month Feb03: ASM #491 (50) = 100,439...#04 for the month Jan03: ASM #490 (49) = 90,032...#06 for the month Generally speaking the direct sales were trending down for the 23 issues shown (ASM was 3x per month) but it's guesswork at best...but here's an attempt, I'm ballparking direct at 90-100K average sales. Publishers statements in your link show "printed" at 160K & "Dealer sales" which is both newsstand and direct 115K, subs are all direct (8,500), returns are all newsstand (35,331). Sell through at retail and returns are misleading and quite useless. Using direct sales vs. print run we can estimate that 55-65% of the run was printed for the direct market with no returns, so a 22% print run return rate means that 13-23% of the print run was newsstand copies that were sold in 2004. So in 2004, production data indicates direct copies are 4 to 5 times more common. Nowhere close to the rarity claimed by many, you get in the same ballpark subtracting direct sales from total paid circulation. The "direct" number omits non-North American direct sales which would bump up the direct % by about 5% or so for those round earthers who believe in the existence of international markets and stuff None of this explains current market lack of availabilty but my general commentary is that the @valiantman "X" graph focusing on 1986 is still terribly misleading because it implies that the "lessening" goes to zero since it mirrors pre '79 direct. Also the glut of direct copies produced in the early 90's happened 5 years after '86 and the newsstand didn't collapse in '92, it failed to keep pace with the direct market insanity. I don't believe newsstand sell thru became problematic until later in the 90's with Marvel's financial troubles, price increases etc..etc... Anyways, that's my contribution to this thread.

A more accurate description would have been "covers are attached with tape" (meaning: to each other) rather than "cover is..." however I'd probably rather own the book as pictured rather than one with random tape attaching it to the interior....but that's just MY preference.

What does the number 10 have to do with mutants? Whatever it got retconned into (Weapon X as part of Weapon Plus dating back to super soldiers, Cap as first and whatever else) the Marvel wiki seems to support the fact that Weapon X was even retconned as "mutant" specific. I don't know when there's a specific first mention that the 'X' is a roman numeral. I don't recall it from any of the Byrne X-men run since that was all prior to Wolverine having an origin, assuming we agree that MCP 72-84 stuff was the first Wolverine origin.

I think the inaccurate ASM 252 designation on the Greek comic was likely to fit into some competitive registry set thing, there may be other census slots for that comic. While I think census/label accuracy is something that is often misused by sellers I don't think CGC cares about how that data is used, I don't have any issue with the French comic other than minor clean up. I don't know how the mechanics of creating the first label for a previously unsubmitted book works but I imagine it's similar to when you try to checkout an unpriced item at the grocery store....the clean up of that data only occurs when someone cares enough to point out a discrepancy AND reaches someone who agrees with the importance of the issue.

Very cool to see books that were bought on the same day that have been part of a single collection for the last 50 + years.

Sorry meant 271 for the Rocket Raccoon 1st comic appearance

What's your pic for key on the level of 361 with a worse cover? There's a thread devoted to this very topic in general. Others have tried, but I have personally not yet seen 361's equal. In my opinion both Avengers Annual 10 and Hulk 272 were far worse than ASM 361.

Anyone miss that active users in thread/post count function yet?

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Not sure if indexes fit the thread.

That's what I thought after the FIRST post.