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Could be but, I think them putting some of the books in the weekly auction to promote that platform will enable some of us on the board to score a win on a less format and we could aftter 80 weeks really score. public ha is putting a 18 month estimation for the time the collection will be completely sold. Where the real questions exist as to why the "run" gaps". They seem to admit the possibly that there could be either more material out there or that some went missing.. We will have to see how this plays out. I am glad this video and info is out in the open.

Any guess on the amount of $$$$ that the price paid for Bat1....9.4?....you know it had to be a record to avoid public auction?

Third party grading is an opinion. The ultimate responsibility is with you the TCBC to make the final call. Yes, I agree with CGC on those 9.8's and differ with some of the 9.6/4 etc. The good part is at least they are here to protect us from undisclosed restoration which has become a game of cat and mouse between the CGC and the grade manipulators. There is gonna be a lot of pedigree" bashing" due to the fact that the collection is so great with 5000 OO new to the market books. Do not listen the bashers and you yourself judge how much to pay, and what condition you are buying it in with the understanding that this is probably the LAST OO non collector GA collection of 5000 95% top graded books that will ever hit the market again. I can remember when": Chuckles " selling a lot of Church copies at a early SDCC...Man, collectors were outraged his prices which was about 3x guide and lo and behold 5years later those complainers were saying that they should of bought them all. We have 5000 GA top condition books, enough for everyone on this board and other GA collectors. Yes, the grading is good/bad/spot on...ok I get that...here is what you do not get, 5 years from today everyone on this board who hesitates due to negative comments are gonna complain I should of bought 2 or 5 or what ever. The real winners of this outstanding GA collection, will buy and hold. My opinion of Ha.com com is that I have left bids on certain items with over 10K from the second underbidder and that money was left on the table by an honest auction house. I do not believe for minute that Ha controls CGC, that CGC somehow controls Ha.Com...they are too busy making tons money to do that.

That is a real issue Lou...will the crazy speculators go after the "finest" condition wise GA OO collection. Well first they have to have the brains to realize that All-Winners #21 in 9.8 is a miracle in and of itself that it exits today...OO..that is my favorite books so far, great read, cover, condition. Can they separate that book for the 300/500 books coming on board this auction time?.. They have money, but do they have skill....it takes a savy collector to be able to navigate thru that many GA gems. Now, they could hire someone like Mr. Bedrock to advise them...I do not think they are that smart or want to put the time and effort it is to do the necessary research to figure out that All Winners #21 9.8 is priceless and it is. I think down the road 2 thousand books later, they will or might and buy everything that hits the market, but not today. It is a GA collectors privilege to just look at the scan of that book, they are looking for widgets. They could get smart...but I bet not right away...we as TCBC's have the advantage now......

Great chance..if you look at past Ha Signiture Auctions with around 2000 items its probably an average of around $10 million given current market conditions. If you use that valuation then with 5000 books at 2.5 times is 25Million. I dont care if you are Bill Gates...that is a fortune...even in 2021.

I understand where you are coming from but I think there is hope some at the end of the tunnel. There are over 5000 books from this collection, you should be able to get one, you could sell some dupes or sell material in your collection to help get at least one. Ha will give you an advance on your consignment so that you can actuality bid on the first auction where it is to their weekly auction or Signature. Just set a goal..one book, one giant step for "mankind". Owning one is just like owning 50..you own a part of history. I agree the Ga/SA comic books worlds are "split" but you should be able to navigate thru the speculators, whales, investor dealers who are gonna buy and hold, to get a very small piece of this historic collection. We are divided and if this was a Billy Wright 367 book collection, you are right, you could get shut out on it all. But this 15 Billy Wright collections coming over a two year period in 2021 and 2022...so don't give up hope on this. Every collector should have a shot at the minimum of a couple of books here. Yes, they are might be pressed or maximized, but I would hope you would buy the book for the comic book itself and not for the fact that you can not resubmit after you have CGC pressing it as it has already been done. I am against any form of alteration of the original comic book, especially pressing. I agree 100% it can cause damage both to the book and the overall GA/SA comic book market. I think your observation is one of the best future thinking ahead posts placed this form in a long time. Your question is will all future mega collections follow the same pattern from here on out with these incredible results, and with the 3 mega giant auction houses and have every book that is consigned to them go thru this pressing press for GA comic books. It is dangerous and it is for the long term of the hobby something that is gonna catch up with US you and me as Ga/SA comic book collectors. I think the gravity of the greed or the power of making more money is a tough thing to stop. The only think you and I can do, is say no to our collections, to collectors who seek out our advice. Good Luck G.O.M.

No, Ha has a tendency to spread things out pretty evenly...I would say great books will appear even in the last promise auction. You can take for example the "Kirby Cofer" Carl Barks painting collection, which was the largest Carl Barks oil painting collection ever to come to market and auctioned by Ha.com. They spread the good stuff over 3 auctions. We will see great GA books till the end on this one.

we have over 5000 GA books to go thru, talk to me after 2500 have been graded and sold as you cannot make a total judgement on the grading of the collection until we see at least 50% of the books out in the open. That would be the fairest way to make a judgment on this collections overall grading.

Bed: stop being so hard on yourself...you are a rare breed dealer who also is a real collector...

Bed: I consider your a knight of the highest order: TCBCD...true comic book collector dealer..it does not get better than that.

The highest bidder will win, I accept that. I also hope 90% of these books land in comic book collections, rather than a "widget safty deposit box". I do not think, at least in terms of today's market $1000 is signifcant in and of itself. Is it 10K, 100K, or 1M...I cannot answer that question. Of couse "exit" in ones GA collection has to be a factor. I am not suggesting to go out and recklessly spend money on GA comic books becasue you "love them". I do think however that in a perfect world, the true comic book collector should win out over the pure speculator. I agree nobody has a higher claim....but we TCBC(true comic book collectors) have a "higher purpose" and with truth, justice and the American ways it seems to win out over time.

I am sorry, but I have to disagree with you that GA/SA comic masterpieces are "JUST FUNNY-BOOKS". I find nothing funny about Captain America punching Hitler in the face in Cap #1, nor Amazing Fantasy 15 last panel saying" with great power comes great responsibilty". This is great literature at its finest combined with some of the greatest artists of all time in a combination arf from which has occured since caveman times. 50 pages of "dirvel" this is not. This is a historic time for GA comic books collectors in which 10 or 20 years from now, the Future collectors will wish that they were their and buying books, just like you and me would like to go back to the time Chuck was selling his MH comics and buying more that what we did. The information provided today indicates that 95% of 4,750 books are gonna be at the top of the census, mile high and all other pedigres already graded. No Straw-Man, for the veteran comic book collector, this time is very special to be a GA collector, to be able to get a shot of 5000 promise comic books, 5 pages, 50 pages or 500 pages will not change that fact. Straw-Man remember what Rene Bellog said to Indana Jones when he wanted to destory the arc: "All your life has been spent inthe pursuit of archaeological relics. Inside the Ark are treasures beyond your wildest aspirations. You want to see it opened as well as I. Indiana, we are simply passing thru history. This is history." Straw-Man... this is history

hope he gets back on...

I am targeting the above pure "speculator", a collector who buys a comic book for historical significance is a collector.

Could be, and I agree that you can have both emotional and business connections when buying, selling or trading Ga/SA. My shout goes out to those "Gameshop stock crazies" who invade a market, blow it up just to make a profit and have NO emotional qualms about leaving collectors and destruction in their path in quest to make a "profit'.

no limitation on what you collect, Ga/SA used only as a reference, Marmat.

I think that your statement of opinion on what you define as a" true comic book collector" can be challenged. My definition does limit to "old school: collectors who were at the dinosaur age of comic book collecting. That is NOT my definition. A "true comic book collector" can come on board any time, any place. My definition is simple...a comic book collector who buys the GA/SA comic book FOR the book itself. The art, cover, ownership with a purpose. The non -true comic book collector in my book is not any part of a true comic book collector at all. They are buying widgets whether it is Gold futures or Lumber. They can care less about fandom, about the art and true beauty of a comic book. There sole purpose is to buy low and sell high and never look back. There needs to be a dividing line in our great Ga/Sa comic book world to differentiate between the two in my opinion. My definition is "True comic book collector" is those who have a emotional connection to our great GA/SA world...Man Women, Child some human connection other than greed itself. The speculators have none and are devoid of any emotional connection. I am a true comic book collector and I love Ga/SA and every aspect of our world, whether its 50 plus years for me, or 50 minutes for you...we are all on the same page. Your post itself does what you dislike the most. It categorizes old (Grumpy) vs new collectors and it is just not that simple. In the fact the answer is very simple...it is where your heart lies in the GA/SA comic book world that really counts.

I will second that...95% of 5000 GA books at top grade...mind blowing

So, did HA buy them outright or were they consigned? I think that is a critical fact which would lead one to agree with your conclusion that they could hit market at top condition after pressing. Ha and maybe CC would be the only ones in the business that could easily write the check, with HA clearly the top guy as they do not rely 100% on comic auctions and probably could cut a 15 million dollar check in a heartbeat. Knowing HA if they expect 25M retail they are gonna pay somewhere between 8-10 Million plus pressing and grading costs of say 500K..just a guess any info out there about this???

I agree there is probable underestimating of the new "turks" on the block money...but being there and spending it is a different thing...and not all of those might not catch on in time for the first auction...until the HA marketing department uses auction results to hype up this collection even more. Neither one of us knows that answer until auction time, however if this was some "ultra grade SA" find they would all be in...MU movies etc. I do not think the young know, of even care about say All Winners #19... I do, and it is one the best books out there and I discovered it for $25 cents when I picked up my copy of Fantasy Masterpieces on the newsstand in the 1960's. My advice is solid, if your position is to be believed, buy at the first auction before all those "new money" with deep pockets come all in. Any time for this collection, quality and condition in the last 50 years would be a great time, the one thing I agree with you is at this time, this collection can be promoted and sold all over the world, not just the RBCC or on a San Diego comic convention table with 3000 people in attendance. spot on in this comment. I disagree that a lot of books will be resold one year or even two years from the last hammer on the auction. There will, I guarantee a number of whale collectors who will buy these great books and not sell them for any price, certainly not less than they paid for. One dealer told me last week, he is gonna buy like 40/50 of them and forget he even owns them for 6/7 years and them bring them to market. For the new speculators, who have not ability to hold or ever care that these great GA books are once in lifetime, they will treat these as widgets, will them dump..some will, the smart ones will hang in there. The collectors today who purchase these books while there are still 5000 or down to 4000 or whatever are see the highest appreciation of value and demand. If you buy selectively, chose you battle for the books you really want, and have staying power to hold them, the promise collection is the best thing out there for serious GA collectors. I am right, 5000 books is not 367 Billy Wright books with a convicted embezzler hitting bid on everyone of them and seeing those quick resales. I would not consider Cap#1 no mega keys, but in the unique condition these books are in, a lot of them will become 50K, 100K world record price books will create new levels of GA pricing that will be great for all GA collectors, including under graded copies. Gasby, I see a win-win here with nobody losing out.

apple vs orange here, Billys copies were not close to the overall high grade of this collection and Billy's was 1/15 the size of this collection, so one bidder could make a significant impact here, not over 5000 OO Ga books, unless you own oil wells...

I think the story will be released by HA....but the marketing dept will have its say!

Unless seen in person, I always doubt the scan as to the books actual real condition but I understand your concern and always accepting in advance some downward grade wise wiggle room before purchase. The last GA book I bought raw I was burned by at least 2 full grade points and reminded me how great CGC truly is on that level. MH comic books were 4x current market at the time.of initial sale..the current pedigree collection will go price wise over market price as well, but over graded books might go less...Jimbo it is not gonna matter 5 years from now, when ever new collector, investor will want to have these books at 3x what you paid. This is MH all over again....why, well Billy Wrights collection was the perfect number 367 or something like that which was spread over two auctions at ha. 5000 vs 367 is approximately 15 TIMES the size of that collection, hence the market effect of that collection was a much smaller footprint. This collection will go down in the hall of fame of pedigrees. I am not suggesting that you buy every book, but that you come to some realization that this is 'IT", a special moment in GA comic book collecting history and that those who do not buy something will be complaining down the road and some grade differential is not matter in terms of the price you pay today. Chose wisely as to the GA book that you want, go for the GA book itself and not a 7.0 graded 9.0 or a 8.0 graded 7.0..when label looking you forget that it is the GA book which you wanted all along.

I disagree over 5000 books, but see above for your best chance!

Agree 100% on that, I would add, they might at the beginning use a bit of caution or hesitation in buying or going all in, which would give us true comic book collectors a real shot at some "once in a lifetime Books". That is why be prepared early to go in rather than later, when the "label buyers" are coming in with blinders on.