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If I pay $80,000 for a Ford Fiesta...is that a reasonable price? Come on now...

Dale is right. Only a lunatic would pay over 3K for a 181 in 9.2.

Maybe we could all agree that Cerebus 1 is the cooler comic of the two?

That Bone is one sweet book! Awesome! As far as Baltimore goes, I hear it's actually a great show because it seems to be more about comics than pulp culture. You should be able to find some awesome deals. Keep us posted.

ok seriously.. this made me laugh But yeah.. recent sales are up Why? Is there some movie reboot rumor floating around? Yes. Honestly though, it doesn't sound promising. Why? Because Todd wants to write, produce, AND direct. READ ALL ABOUT IT

Hello everyone! I posted this in my JOURNAL but figured it would enjoy a greater readership in comics general. I've read a number of threads where people ask about the best way to store slabs. In a wooden cabinet? With the label upright? Spine-down? There are many sources of information on this topic. After conducting some personal research, I decided to compile my findings in a single post. My hopes are two-fold. 1. To help save people valuable time when it comes to making a decision on the long-term storage of their encapsulated comics. 2. To start a dialogue among the experts who frequent this community. I welcome additional input, suggestions, and counterpoints to my arguments. I'm just a regular, enthusiastic collector of comics. I don't pretend to have any clout or say-so in the comic industry. But I do know how to seek out and disseminate research and various opinions. Below is the copy and paste from my three journal entries. This is a long read, but I tried to be as comprehensive as possible. I hope that you enjoy the read! - Shane * * * * * I've spent quite a lot of time over the last few days researching the optimal storage conditions for my CGC collection. Once I complete the Spawn run, I intend to entomb the collection for the long-haul. At first, I considered custom wooden filing cabinets. Some of these cabinets were made out of genuine hardwoods treated with various stains and sealants; other companies used particleboard with a melamine finish. One company even lined the drawers of the cabinets with cedar. This was done in an effort to guard against pest infestation. At first, I saw a great deal of promise in some of the "wooden" products. I even researched the best specie of wood to use. After spending so much time researching wood, I eventually learned that the material is NOT IDEAL for the long-term storage of paper! Along with nearly any of the associated finishing materials or coatings, wood is responsible for a fair amount of off-gassing. Overtime, this can lead to damage. Dense woods, such as oak, are especially prone to off-gassing. The same is true for particleboard. Ditto for sealants and other chemicals used to finish wood. Remember, your encapsulated comics are slightly vulnerable to the atmosphere. As proven in an earlier experiment documented in my journal, we know that the inner well of the slab is vulnerable to water penetration. In other words, the inner well is not COMPLETELY sealed, even if you do have to use scissors or an Exacto knife to cut through the plastic. Air exchange is possible. Your comic still breathes. So over many, many years, WHAT exactly, is the quality of the air your comics are breathing? If your comics are stored in wooden cabinetry, they are susceptible to the oils and elements that leach off the wood and into the air. After using the board's search function to peruse threads with useful information on the topic, I learned a great deal. I would like to put most of this is one place, and I may add to this in the future. So here we go... WHY WOOD IS BAD: Do not use wooden shelving or cabinetry for paper and film materials. Wooden shelving, particularly shelving made of particle board and plywood, gives off acidic gases that can contaminate and accelerate the deterioration of paper and film. Paint and shellacs also give off gases that can contaminate documents and hasten their destruction. Moreover, wooden shelving is flammable and that is another great danger to paper and film documents. - Source: Tennessee State Archives Harmful acids and other substances, however, are emitted by wood, wood composites, and some sealants and adhesives. Although the levels of emissions are highest initially, in most cases volatiles are present for the life of the materials. To avoid potential damage to collections, storage furniture made of wood or wood products should be avoided. - Source: Northeast Document Conservation Center ...paper and textiles will be harmed by the oils and fumes in cedar chests, says Museum of the Rockies registrar. - Source: Montana State University STEEL WITH A BAKED ENAMEL FINISH - THE EXPERTS SLIGHTLY DISAGREE: Use heavy-gauge steel shelving and cabinetry with stable baked enamel finish for paper and film materials. - Source: Tennessee State Archives The key word there was stable and that's where the pros disagree. As it turns out, not all baked enamel finishes are created the same way. Read what the Northeast Document Center had to say about the topic: Questions, however, have been raised about the possibility that the baked enamel coating may give off formaldehyde and other volatiles harmful to collections if it has not been properly baked (not long enough at high enough temperatures). This concern is especially serious when collections are stored on book shelves in an area that is enclosed or has poor air circulation, or are stored in closed furniture such as map cases, file cabinet drawers, and book cases with solid doors. Because of this concern about off-gassing, baked enamel furniture is no longer widely recommended unless it has been properly baked. For us to be certain that it has, the furniture must be tested. Testing should comply with ASTM (American Society of Testing Materials) E-595. 1 This testing requires the use of sophisticated analytical equipment. Sounds to me like it would be easier to go with a different material. POWDER-COATED STEEL IS A BETTER OPTION: Steel storage furniture with various powder coatings appears to avoid the off-gassing problems associated with baked enamel. Powder coatings of finely divided, synthetic polymer materials are fused onto the steel. Testing done thus far indicates that the coatings are chemically stable, present minimal threat of volatile evocation, and so are safe for the storage of valuable materials. - Source: Northeast Document Conservation Center ANODIZED ALUMINUM IS THE BEST: It is lighter than steel and very strong. No off-gassing at all. But it's more than likely going to be cost-prohibitive. As a result, I think that power-coated steel is the material that would provide the greatest bang for the buck and will probably be the material I choose for my storage cabinets. SO WHAT IF I'M ALREADY INVESTED IN WOOD? SHOULD I FREAK OUT? No. There is a solution. It's a product called Marvelseal and it's available from this website. Below is a description from the site: The MARVELSEAL® family of Barriers is the Industry Standard in protection of Art and Artifacts during shipment and storage. All barriers offer excellent protection against the transmission of water vapor and other atmospheric gasses. All are economical, flexible and easy to fabricate…and are ideal for lining the inside of shipping crates and exhibit cases and for lining shelves with the objective of eliminating off-gassing from exposed wooden surfaces. The best Marvelseal product seems to be 1311, which is a lamination of Cloth/Foil/Poly and offers excellent MVTR protection and is ideal for easily attaching to wooden crates or shelving using wood glue or other adhesives. This seems to be the ideal solution for the concerned collector who is already using wood cabinets. WHAT IF I STILL INSIST ON WOOD CABS? HOW CAN I MINIMIZE THE POTENTIAL FOR LONG-TERM DAMAGE? 1. Use a raw wood finish for the interiors of the drawers. 2. Use a low-acidic, soft wood like poplar, which doesn't off-gas as much as oak or other harder species of wood. I'd use poplar for the drawers and a harder wood for the exterior. After all, you want your cabinet to resist dings and damage over the years. Poplar and pine dent up fairly easily. 3. Line the interior of the drawers with the aforementioned Marvelseal product. DOES ANY OF THIS REALLY MATTER? AM I TAKING IT TOO FAR? I probably am. But I'm approaching the subject from the viewpoint of someone who has the utmost concern for the details. I think that people, myself included, ultimately spend too much time thinking about these sort of micro-conditions. After all, comics from the Edgar Church collection were simply stored in tall, vertical stacks and without the benefit of all the plastics and acid-free materials available to the modern collection. Perhaps we do over-think stuff, but studying about the best ways to conserve a collection has given me a lot of unexpected joy. It's part of the fun of the hobby, at least to me. * * * * * There are many other factors to consider when building the prime storage area for your CGC slabs. We just now covered the appropriate kind of material for the cabinets. We've talked about the dangers of off-gassing. In the next post, I will discuss how I intend to "accessorize" my cabinets in a way that will further protect against atmospheric pollutants, temperature and humidity fluctuations, light, theft, and insect intrusion. Bottom line is that wood is not the best material to use in your cabinets if you intend to store paper for the very long haul (measured in decades, not years). Power-coated steel or anodized aluminum aren't nearly as beautiful or as romantic as wood, but the alloys offer the greatest long-term protection. * * * * * Below is the second part of a series of posts on building the perfect storage cabinet... * * * * * STEEL - IT STILL AIN'T PERFECT! SOME CONSIDERATIONS... The serious collector should store his or her collection in a room where the temperature and humidity are under strict control. Experts recommend temps no higher than 70 degrees (F) and a humidity between 30-60%, with the low-end of the range being preferable. After researching the use of steel as a construction material in cabinets used to store comics, I discovered that it's possible for condensation to develop inside of a closed steel cabinet. However, this largely applies to steel cabinets that are stored in basements, sheds, attics, or any other area that isn't climate-controlled. Once again, I quote the Northeast Document Conservation Center : Condensation can be a problem in closed steel cabinets when the relative humidity where the cabinets are stored fluctuates.Condensation can result in rusting or mold growth in cabinets. For this reason, conditions in closed cabinets should be monitored. This is most easily accomplished by the use of dial hygrometers or paper-based humidity indicator cards. These devices do not have a high degree of accuracy, but they are sufficient to indicate problematic conditions. If possible, the use of closed steel cabinets should be avoided unless the cabinets are well ventilated or the relative humidity is closely controlled and monitored. After considering the situation, I think that a "sealed" metal cabinet should be fine as long as it's stored in a climate-controlled area. Building vents into strategic locations along the back of the cabinet is another option, especially if they are designed in a way that allows for quick and convenient opening and closing. If nothing else, simply opening the cab for an hour or so every day or every other day should also do the trick. You could also improve the interior environment of the steel shelves by using the Marvelseal product mentioned in part one of this series. The key is to ensure stability in regards to temperature and humidity! You also want to make sure that the temp inside of the cabinet is equal to or greater than the ambient temperature of the room. Condensation could happen if the interior somehow got colder than the rest of the room. What are some other ways to protect against possible fluctuations in temperature and humidity? 1. Make sure that your cabinet is at least a few inches or more off the ground. This helps ensure that the contents on the bottom shelves aren't subjected to cold floors and/or flooding. 2. Don't store your cabinet on a concrete floor. 3. Avoid placing the cabinet close to exterior windows or heating and air vents along the floor - places where the room temperature is almost certain to vary. If possible, try to avoid placing the cab against a wall along the exterior of your house. These are all examples of "micro-climates" that can develop inside our homes. 4. Don't place the cabinet along a wall stuffed with water pipes! If a leak happens... 5. Use the appropriate mix of fans, air-cleaners, and de-humidifiers to ensure the circulation of clean air. Bottom line? Make sure you monitor the interior conditions of the cabinet. There shouldn't be any problems at all if the steel cabinets are stored in a place with climate control, but a good measure of common sense, and a built-in vent, can make all the difference! * I thought about the problem of dust or other air-contaminants entering the cab through the vent. While there are some solutions to this problem, I don't think it will be a problem for CGC slabs sealed and stored in Mylar bags with archival tape. * * * * * Next up...should I store my slabs flat, upright, or spine-down? Get the real low-down, coming soon... Now that I've discussed the proper storage environment, I'd like to provide some information in regards to storage methods. Should I store my slabs flat, upright, or spine-down? The CGC started encapsulating comics after the turn of the millennium, so the very oldest "slabs" are now around 14 years-old. The truth is that we have little to no true empirical data on the subject. In short, we still don't have enough evidence to suggest that one method is better than another. However, we do know quite a bit about what happens to raw comics overtime and can make guesses based on these observations. Most of our raw collections are probably bagged and boarded and stored vertically in cardboard boxes or filing cabinets. I've personally never witnesses a bagged and boarded comic suffer direct damage from being stored upright, as long as the comics were packed snugly enough to prevent them from falling over inside of the box. So is it safe to assume that our slabs are safe from damage if they are stored vertically and upright? The jury is still out on this one. I don't seek to make a definitive declaration on the matter; as I stated earlier, it's just too early to really tell. Instead, I hope to offer information from various sources. Some sources claim that long-term upright storage will allow gravity to exert downward pressure on the staples of a comic. Other experts, like Joey at CFP Comics and Services, believe that comics covers with an overhang are especially susceptible to the long-term effects of gravity. As a result, some people suggest storing slabs flat. Others recommend stashing them away with the spine of the comic facing the floor. So what does the CGC say about the matter? In short, they support the traditional vertical storage method: "We suggest that all graded comics be stored as you would any other comic, standing upright in an archival safe comic box in a cool dry place." - Wm. Eric Downton, CGC Receiving Manager What do professional book conservationists, libraries, and museums say about it? Well, it depends on the size of the book you are storing. To avoid damaging bindings, books need to be shelved upright and supported. House very large or heavy volumes lying flat, because upright storage can result in heavy books pulling away from their bindings. - Northeast Document Conservation Center They also point out that storing books with the spine-down is far, far preferable to storing them with the spine-up, although they seem to suggest spine-down storage is preferable only if "moving or rearranging the books is not possible." ...store volumes with the spine down (storing a book with the spine up may cause the text to pull out of the binding due to its weight). - Northeast Document Conservation Center The expert consensus seems to be that it's perfectly acceptable to vertically store comics and slabs in the upright position. It's also okay to store slabs flat, because the hard outer well, in concert with the inner well, prevents the type of spine-roll that can sometimes occur when comics are stored flat and in vertical stacks. The following summary from panelology.com is so well-written that I've decided to quote it below verbatim: The Northeast Document Conservation Center (a non-profit regional conservation center in the United States, founded in 1973 and counting amongst its clients the Boston Public Library and Harvard University) advised that although vertical storage in office files or in upright flip-top archival document storage boxes is acceptable for legal-sized or smaller documents, any objects larger than 15" x 9" should be stored flat. This is due to the pull forces which documents stored in an upright position are subject to, and it is safe to assume that what is best practice for larger size documents works out well for comic books as well. So what's the final word? During my research, I discovered that most sources, including the CGC itself, recommend the traditional method of storing comics, and slabs, upright. I found nothing to suggest that a slab would be harmed by storing them flat, although I'd be careful about how high I piled my stacks. It's important to keep in mind that the slabs towards the bottom of the stack will bear a majority of the loaded weight. I've also discovered nothing wrong with storing slabs spine-down, although I still struggle with the logic used by proponents of this method. Yes, the spine is the strongest part of the book and could probably do a better job at resisting the effects of gravity over-time. But isn't it still susceptible to "gravitational" damage, assuming that such a thing really happens in the first place? I think it's too early to tell. Bottom line? There is probably nothing wrong with storing the slabs upright, flat, or spine-down. Whichever method you choose, I think it's more important to handle and store them carefully. The idea is to handle them as little as possible and to protect them from jostling or any sort of vibration.

I always thought Platt was amazing. Shame he never really took off. I think he easily rivaled the talent of his day.

You mean this? Todd McFarlane addressed this in a recent letters column (issue 231): Shannon B. from Facebook writes: I haven't read since the first year or so. Originally, Spawn had finite power that counted down. How did that resolve, and what were the issue numbers? Todd McFarlane responds: Ultimately, it didn't resolve because before any of those resolutions become apparent, Al Simmons took his own life, and passed on the mantel of the powers of Spawn to our new character, Jim Downing (Spawn #185). The power meter is located on the inside front cover of each issue of Spawn. Where Al Simmons' meter counted down, Jim Downing's meter is counting up. Why? I actually know, but that should be the curious question, at this point.

Did someone say 9.9?

Thanks for the awesome shots! (thumbs u

Thanks for the update! Great pics! Got any wall shots?

You're not done, are you? I've been enjoying it, too. You made a very solid argument for Spawn. Don't take my sarcasm personally. I gave you a hard time, but not out of mean-spiritedness. Yes, I'm done. I definitely didn't take anything personally. My career has given me super thick skin over the years. Like I said, I've enjoyed the discussion and the opportunity to make my case.

Amadeus...I've appreciated the discussion. It's been fun. Thanks for all the counterpoints you've offered. (thumbs u

Source is Comichron. I'm working with available sources. I noted that the reporting system was flawed, but it's a start. At least I'm providing numbers. Sales is only one factor that determines dominance. But I think I've provided enough points for my argument. In fact, you agree with my main point. Todd did some interior work on issues 195, 196, 200...but like I said, mainly cover art. All of this information is widely available. And yeah...Maxx had an MTV cartoon. But no multi-million dollar movie...and no back-to-back Emmy awards either. So not quite in the same league. Someone mentioned Hellboy? Well, if you judge box office/budget ratio - Spawn is the more successful film by 21%...yes, I did the math. And not every other Spawn title has gone down the tubes. The Curse of Spawn sold huge...then you had the Impaler and Dark Ages. Both titles were also successful and were among the most popular selling books of their time.

Alan Moore wrote two issues and a mini-series. Todd's been on as the main writer since issue 185 and wrote under a pseudonym (Will Carlton) for a while. He's done the interior art on a few issues and has drawn nearly every cover for the last few years...starting with 219 to be exact. Once again, I'm not sure his involvement is a plus. He's pretty much responsible for turning his back on the comic to focus on toys. A profitable move, perhaps, but a move that took a great deal out of the characters momentum. Once again, my thesis is that Spawn is the biggest character born in the 90s and had the most impact over the years. Furthermore, my argument is that he was bigger than Deadpool. That's it. I won't argue that it's great literature or cohesive over the long term. I won't argue that he's currently the most popular character from the 90s.. but to say that a character was king of the decade means the character ruled the decade. I know that the 90s feel like a million years ago after all that's since happened in the world, but if you can fire up your brain's memory banks you should be able to remember how hot Spawn was throughout that time. You're asking about sales figures? Okay, here you go: Prior to issue 32 (released in June 1995), it's hard to get an exact grip on numbers because of the distributors reporting system, but I'd bet my paycheck that ALL of those issues were in the top five. Issues 32 - 53 were all in the top five monthly sales Issues 55-68 were all in the top five monthly sales Issues 71-79 were all in the top five monthly sales Issues 82 was in the top five monthly sales Issues 84-90 were all in the top five monthly sales This was without the gimmick cover and variants that were popular with almost every other book of the period. Spawn didn't drop out of the top ten until issue 107, released in April 2001. So that is a consistent top ten sales run for 69 months, not counting the first 31 issues! If you count the first 31, you have 100 consecutive months of being in the top ten. That's a little over 8 years. Has a Deadpool title enjoyed a reign of that nature? Harley? Venom? Hellboy? Maxx? Of course not! And neither did any other character created in the 90s. By the way, that is an awesome copy of Primer. I certainly bow to your knowledge regarding the Maxx. But as far as Spawn? I don't think you have an argument. You just think the character is and that's perfectly fine. That doesn't take away from the character's place in history.

"Sales numbers do not (necessarily) mean "dominance" and neither do they not mean it. They are just one factor." Yes, they are just one factor. One factor that Spawn succeeded in dominating. There are other factors when it comes to describing dominance. I offered several factors in my original post. I'm still not seeing a proper defense of Deadpool, by the way. "I stopped reading Spawn at around issue 37. That I could get through 37 issues is pretty amazing, because it's very, very bad. Disjointed, illogical, inconsistent. It makes no sense." I agree with the early issues written by Todd...but there are currently 207 other issues that you'd need to consider before making a judgement. Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, Frank Miller, David Sim, Grant Morrison, Steven Niles, David Hine, Brian Holguin, Jon Goff, and a few other authors made their contributions to the title. What other 90s title is that stacked with talent? How is Deadpool superior in this sense? We could talk about all the fantastic artists who have contributed, and there is no disputing the title is loaded. Did it always cohere? No. But just because it was at times a bad read does not take away from the IMPACT and popularity of the character during the 90s. "And no, Maxx was not created in 1983." The first appearance of The Maxx was in Primer #5, published by Comico Comics. Date on the release was 1983. I know that the character was not the same in the 90s, but it was still an evolution of the character. X-Men 1 in the 60s was the first appearance of The Beast, even though he looked little like the character would become in the 70s. Most collectors know that. Same with The Maxx. "I mentioned Maxx to illustrate the point that all those things you mentioned Spawn having, which made him "the king" of the 90's, weren't exclusive to Spawn." Not "all those things" but some of those things, and even then not to the same degree.

Yes, thank you. You get the point of the original argument.

Amadeus.... once again, check out the sales numbers on comicchron. The reign lasted longer than 5 months. Not sure if you know this or not, but Todd's been "back" on the Spawn title for about 60 issues now. If anything, that's bad news because Todd is a horrible writer. His concepts are good but his story telling sucks. The good news is that he's been churning out some pretty wicked art for the title. Stories written for "mediocre" teen-age boys? I guess you did stop reading Spawn after the first 20 issues or so. Spawn got really dark for a while. I get that you don't like Spawn. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not saying he's the greatest of all-time, just the greatest to come from the 90s if you look at the history. You want to compare Maxx? Really? Go down through my list of FACTS and see how many of them apply to Maxx or any other character... speaking of which, why even mention Maxx? He was created in 1983. Why mention Superman and Batman? Is THAT the kind of ammo you need for this argument? They were products of the 30s. We're talking products of the 90s. I'd still like someone to present a clear, fact-based argument for Deadpool's superiority. This entire discussion has shifted gears to include Harley and Hellboy, but the original question was about Deadpool. I just don't see how any of those characters can compete with what Spawn has done...even if it was done a long time ago.

I feel like I have to pop in here again. Spawn ruled the 90s during the 90s. Simple fact. Visit comicchron.com and look at the sales numbers. For many years, Spawn was consistently one of the top five best-selling comics in production. That was during a time when tens of thousands of comics were being sold. Now let's look at the cultural impact: 1. Spawn was adapted into a moderately successful feature film. Had a box-office total of about $88 million, which isn't bad when you consider the budget and inflation. Also the first film to prominently feature an African-American as a major superhero. Spawn even appeared in a Taco Bell commercial around the time of the movie release! 2. Spawn was adapted into an HBO animated series that lasted a few years. It won two Emmy awards and two Golden Reel awards. 3. A /giant/ toy-line was produced and has fared very, very successfully for over 20 years! 5. The comic book is still in production and is about to reach issue 250. It's far from being CURRENTLY popular or from being in the best-sellers list, but the title has shown staying power for what is now 22 years. The longest running independent title is Cerebus, which made it to issue 300. Spawn is close behind and is set to eventually eclipse that record. 6. Spawn 1 set a record for the best-selling independent comic book of all time. 7. Tons of spin-off titles. I won't list them all. 8. Spawn or Spawn references have appeared in TV shows like Robot Chicken, the Powerpuff Girls, The Riches, Death Battle, and even the Sopranos (Anthony Jr. wore a Spawn t-shirt in parts of the show). He is also referenced in the movies: Dogma, Chasing Amy, Live Free or Die Hard, Day the Earth Stood Still (remake), and Orphan. 9. Spawn has appeared in several video games on various platforms throughout multiple decades...from the Super Nintendo to the Xbox. This includes an appearance in Soul Caliber. 10. Spawn has been used as album artwork for the heavy metal band Iced Earth. Todd McFarlane and Greg Capullo have also done artwork for Korn. So we see that, at least IN the 1990s, Spawn completed dominated the decade in comparison to other characters that were created in the 1990s. Harley Quinn? Flash in the pan. I know she's been meteorically popular lately, but no one really knew who she was in the 90s. I'm not even sure why she is mentioned in this thread. Deadpool - wasn't all that hot in the 90s people. His fame has grown exponentially, and NOW he is more popular than Spawn, but over the years I don't think he can hold a candle to McFarlane's creation. I've never understood the appeal of Deadpool anyway. He is basically just a generic ninja with upgrades. Boring to look at, even. I just think that Spawn is more marketable than Deadpool in the long run. Hellboy in the 90s? Not even close. Venom was more popular than Deadpool, Harley, or Hellboy in the 90s - and not even the symbiote could compete with the impact of Spawn. I think people have short memories...I just don't see how you could have been around in the 90s without realizing how big Spawn was. Sure, things have changed now. But the king of the 90s is definitely Spawn. Spawn has suffered over the years because McFarlane seems to have developed ADHD. If he ever gets his act together, I think that Spawn is set to explode with a properly done, well-written movie or another TV series. I think he ignored the series at a crucial time and it's been hard to recover. But any fan who grew up in the 90s likely has great memories of Spawn. So the sentimental fanbase is out there ripe for the picking.

Well done! Very nice centering too... I absolutely love this book! I will definitely be grabbing one eventually.

I agree, he can rot. +1 Agreed. This person has absolutely no character, honesty, or remorse. To the cornfield with him. YOU'RE A BAD MAN! A VERY BAD MAN! OFF TO THE CORNFIELD!

If you want to bag on Symbiotic, go right ahead. But I don't think it's productive to make fun of people with legitimate mental illness...if that's what you're doing by posting these sorts of videos. Would you make fun of someone with cancer?

To speak of the nature of a thing is not to speak of the wisdom of a thing.

Boy, I'd be pretty upset if that's what I got back!!! Did they lose the rest? Did they give you a tracking number! I sure hope you find the rest of them! your the reason why this book isn't worth anything. Haha picture made me laugh, at one point I had about 30 copies thinking "this has to be worth a lot in 5-6 years" after it first came out. The going rate on eBay for a 9.8 seems to be between $80 and $100....9.9s go for around $300-350. I wouldn't call the book worthless by any means.