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wiparker824
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Reading thru this seeing the great debate on if 9.6’s should get grader notes meanwhile I’m getting 8.5’s, 9.0’s, 9.2’s and 9.4’s back with no notes at all regularly… it’s actually much more rare books in these grades have notes for me than do not. 8.0 and below is when I typically consistently get notes these days. There have been periods of time in CGC’s history where I’d get notes quite often on a 9.6 and for sure anything below but that’s certainly not what happens anymore for me.
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On 8/8/2022 at 2:30 PM, Richard Wysong said:
Might want to send them a message. It will almost certainly get it moving. Perhaps there's a problem employee that we can help root out.
If you get all same grades, maybe you can give them a phone call before they ship out.
Based on your second post I’m quite scared to email them lol… I’d rather not get 25 straight 9.0’s with no grader notes. That is very bizarre.
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On 8/1/2022 at 12:06 PM, lou_fine said:
Well, did you see those two record setting prices for Spidey 300 earlier this week at the Heritage Auction:
Hard to believe that a signed Newsstand copy can fetched over $30K while an unsigned Newsstand copy can still fetch almost 20K in today's supposedly softening marketplace.
It's almost like speculators and collectors are trying to split hairs here in order to justify a case of rarity for what is otherwise pretty much a relatively common book, even in nosebleed HG condition.
Yeah but this is a phenomenon related to the newsstand market. The overall market on blue label 9.8’s for this book has been trending down for awhile now:
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On 7/31/2022 at 5:39 PM, CGC Mike said:
If you didn't get a reply from me, let me know.
Didn’t get a reply but did get my grades in this morning.
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For all my CCS peeps. Heres an update on all of my July/August 2021 CCS subs:
Modern (Custom Label) - 1 book
Received (CCS) - 7/16/21
Charged (CCS) - 3/3/22
SFG - 6/24/22
GEI - 6/29/22
QC/Finalized - 6/30/22
Shipped - 7/1/22
Charged (CGC) - 7/19/22
Modern Magazine (Signature Series) - 1 book
Received (CCS) - 7/16/21
Charged (CCS) - 3/3/22
SFG - 6/30/22
Charged (CGC) - 7/19/22
Modern (Signature Series) - 2 books
Received (CCS) - 7/16/21
Charged (CCS) - 3/3/22
SFG - 6/30/22
G/E/I - 7/12/22
QC/Finalized - 7/18/22
Shipped - 7/25/22
Modern - 13 books
Received (CCS) - 7/16/21
Charged (CCS) - 3/3/22
SFG - 7/18/22
GEI - 7/18/22
QC/Finalized - 7/19/22
Charged (CGC) - 7/19/22
Shipped - 7/21/22
Modern - 25 books
Received (CCS) - 8/17/21
Charged (CCS) - 6/24/22
SFG - 7/14/22
GEI - 7/14/22
Charged (CGC) - 7/19/22
Modern - 25 books
Received (CCS) - 8/17/21
Charged (CCS) - 6/24/22
Modern - 25 books
Received (CCS) - 8/17/21
Charged (CCS) - 6/24/22
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On 7/14/2022 at 12:23 PM, skybolt said:
Just got back another response, which was pretty much a cut and paste from what I received 3 months ago.
April 7th, 2022 Response:
"Thank you for your email. Your invoice 3821994 is finishing up with CCS pressing. I'll see if we can try to speed that up at all for you. It does look like it is almost completed with just a couple more books that need to finish pressing."
July 13th, 2022 Response:
"Thank you for your email. This submission is still in process at CCS. A few of the books have not yet finished up through the pressing process. This will be transferred to CGC shortly. Let us know if you have any other questions."
Sounds like they’re pressing one page a day or something with that language. At least they are sounding like they know where your books are and are working them But, not to make you feel worse but I just got movement today on one of my August 2021 subs, first marked as received by CCS on 8/17/21, now in GEI today. And this was a full 25 book modern slow track sub, so it’s quite odd that they still have a “couple more books” of yours when they just got thru 25 of mine that hit their system what? 4 months later than yours.
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On 7/13/2022 at 2:53 PM, KirbyTown said:
My interpretation...
Fast track is pure profit. You're not paying for faster grading, but to cut to the front of the line. More accurately, fast track is the standard grading time and price, but if you're willing to go to the back of the line then you get a discount. Based on that idea, the actual comparison is 20/26 vs. 31, basically the same. Why the price difference? The value of the comic. Your comic's value doesn't change the work they do, but it does change the amount of money you stand to make off of that work. If you can't sell your comic without CGC, then they can essentially charge whatever they want. The limits on that freedom are established through market research and the results guide the tier structure.
Don’t think they really care what you sell it for, but the value does matter. It’s about liability and insurance. If they have a $1000 book it costs more to insure that valuable in their warehouse while they work on it, because in the event they accidentally roll over your box with a forklift and damage your book beyond repair, they do pay out the FMV which is more costly if the cap is $1000 vs $400.
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On 7/12/2022 at 7:40 AM, skybolt said:
The last reply from CGC was on 6/16 where they noted they will physically send someone to look for the submission, but it could take a while due to the thousands of received submissions during that period. I'm hoping that once they got through most of the books received before the price change, this submission will be located.
Yeah I mean that’s still a month ago… I’d probably call/email for an update. And if they still are saying that it will take “awhile” to find your submission yet alone press and grade it, but just find it… I’d ask them to quantify “awhile” - how long does it normally take them to find a lost submission 3 months? 6 months? 1 year? Like I said I don’t think this is unreasonable given they are actively pressing books 3 months after yours arrived, the very least they could do is find yours. Good luck.
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On 7/11/2022 at 9:12 PM, skybolt said:
So the current TAT's for slow modern CCS pressing is 254 business days. My submission delivered on 3/23/2021 (received 4/11/2021) is currently sitting at 324 business days. In comparison, the other 3 submissions from that time period were pressed and graded almost 5 months ago. Another 5 CCS submissions (received 6/25/2021) were pressed and graded last month. After contacting CGC 5 times over the past 3 months, and basically being told to be patient, what is the next course of action? Anyone else in the same boat with respect to CCS pressing?
Definitely sounds “misplaced”… I have subs from July 2021 being processed now. I’d probably call again. You said you’ve called over the past 3 months but 3 months ago “be patient” might have been reasonable given that they seem to be taking about a full calendar year right now and yours were received in April 2021. At this point, since they are currently pressing July 2021 (slow track) subs, it’s not a reasonable answer. I’d at least want them to verify they can actually locate the books in the warehouse and confirm they are in fact in queue to be pressed, but that’s just me.
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On 7/7/2022 at 3:18 PM, Kerdese said:
10 days since they said they were going to charge my card for pressing and the status hasn't changed yet. Still sitting at received. Is this normal?
Depending on the tier yeah… my modern slow track books received by CCS in July ‘21 were charged by CCS in March, and didn’t make it to CGC side and SFG until June. Also have August ‘21 subs that were finally charged 2 weeks ago still in received.
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Any idea what date the QR codes will start being included on labels?
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On 7/6/2022 at 8:23 AM, Lightning55 said:
I am not talking about recent events. During the past 2-3 years, people have reported that after a long wait at CCS, their orders "hurried" through CGC grading. Like 3 weeks instead of 6 months. Happened to me on the only 2 CCS orders I had, not at the same time.
The OP is asking what people's experiences are with that, and instead gets conjecture about what is supposed to happen.
Let's see how his works out, and we'll get something more conclusive.
Yup. Same thing for me with dozens of subs over the past few years. They take eternity in CCS, normally beyond whatever the current estimate is, then fairly quick as soon as they pop into received at CGC.
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One thing to keep in mind is they have been way behind on CCS. So, for example my sub above I posted, when I sent it to CGC/CCS the current TAT for modern pressing in July 2021 was 114 days. And CGC grading modern was 89 days. So, around 200 business days total was what I expected if it did indeed stack. A full calendar year (which is what these subs have taken) is longer than the 200 business days anyways. So, anyone thinking they can game the turnaround time by sending to CCS is sadly mistaken - we’ve all been waiting much longer than even what the stacked posted TAT’s were at time of submission. I can’t even imagine how long new subs are going to take with the current TAT for modern CCS above 250 business days.
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On 7/5/2022 at 6:36 PM, Lightning55 said:
When you get yours back from grading, you can let us know how long it took. Then we'll know. Or at least have another data point, fresh info.
Getting conflicting info from members, but likely because there are inconsistent experiences.
I had a Modern Tier (no Fast Track) order "jump the line" and got it back in 3 weeks. Stuff happens randomly at CGC, and no one can see behind the curtain.
Do we really have conflicting data? Or just one person who believed it worked one way without actually indicating they had a sub of their own that actually followed that pattern they thought to be true? Not trying to be antagonistic, genuinely curious if there are really people who are seeing it sit at CCS a year and then at CGC another several months? That’s brutal if that’s happening… but everyone here is saying they’ve experienced the opposite. For example here’s a couple screenshots of one of my recent subs (clearly indicating a week of time spent at CGC):
so does someone really have something like this but with a multi month wait in the 2nd screenshot between CGC Received date and Shipped date on top of their insanely long CCS wait time?
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On 7/5/2022 at 12:25 PM, OtherMan said:
He is incorrect. CGC and CCS are two separate companies. You don't get to skip the grading line just because you had CCS press them. When your CCS book arrives at CGC it's no different than CGC opening your mailed submission that arrived that day.
They say that, but if you look thru the posts in current turnaround times you’ll quickly find out that is not the case. Books from CCS do move faster once they hit SFG. For example I just had a book that was modern slow track that went like so:
Received (CCS) - 7/16/21
SFG - 6/24/22
GEI - 6/29/22
Grading/QC - 6/30/22
Shipped 7/1/22
Go over to the current turnaround time thread and you’ll see people reporting modern slow track subs without CCS sitting in SFG from April-June before getting any additional movement. You’ll also see others reporting exactly as I said about modern slow track with CCS, which is SFG to shipped is a matter of a few business days. So either a bunch of people are collectively lying to form this narrative or CCS books are in fact moved along faster once they hit CGC and are SFG.
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On 6/30/2022 at 9:59 AM, Droid81 said:
Modern Slow Track CCS+CGC received 7/12/21, fell off the 8 month tracker 3/12/22, charged by CCS on 3/18/22, then went back to 'Received' status (I am assuming at CGC, but I'm not 100% sure).
Not having our orders on the submission tracker is the worst. Current turn around time for this tier is 83 days. (83 days ago is approx. April 8th) I'm hoping for movement to SFG any day now.
How long have people been waiting between Received and SFG these days? It looks like Greggy is a full two months ahead of me.
I had a few modern submissions for slow track CCS all officially marked as received 7/16/21, all charged on 3/3/22, yet only one of the 3 submissions has seen further movement which was SFG 6/24/22, GEI 6/29. Of note the one that moved was the custom label submission. The other modern submissions were 1 sub of normal blue labels, and a 1 book sub that was a SS previously slabbed yellow label, even though these were all shipped together and charged together these others have not moved yet.
But to answer your main question it appears as though when they come from CCS, and finally land in SFG they do move relatively quickly.
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On 6/17/2022 at 7:47 AM, Droid81 said:
My Modern Slow Track is still in received status from March of 2022. The order was originally received by CGC on July 12, 2021 and then charged by CCS on March 18th, 2022. It fell off the submission tracker before officially being received back at CGC and I am still waiting for that coveted SFG status.
I see people's orders from April are getting processed, perhaps my books will get updated soon?
In same boat, have multiple modern submissions all “Received” by CCS 7/16/21, and then charged in March, still sitting in Received.
Also FWIW have multiple 8/16/21 and 8/17/21 submissions also still sitting in “Received”. These however were never charged to my card, which if they were a month behind I’d have assumed would have been in April or maybe May at the latest but nope.
I’ve seen some here post they are seeing movement on June received books for CCS so there’s hope.
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On 5/9/2022 at 6:20 AM, skybolt said:
The only issue with this is that CGC typically grades CCS pressed books within 2 to 4 weeks of being pressed no matter what the current grading turnaround times are. I think this could be a more relevant issue for some inexperienced 3rd party pressers though.
That’s weird because they charged for CCS first week of March when my books moved from Received by CCS to In Process at CCS and here we are in May and still in Received at CGC status… this is for several submission types, Modern, Modern Magazine, etc. All would seem to have been at CGC beyond 4 weeks now with no movement.
If you’re on FT, WT, Express or an in-house signing yeah, you’re going to get it graded quickly after CCS but the slow track stuff isn’t moving like that.
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On 5/5/2022 at 11:41 AM, Bird said:
it says enter order # OR invoice #. I took a photo of my info before it fell off the page and use that so I do not know if the actual order # really works or not but it says you can track according to that as well
Order # won't work. Once it falls off the page anyways you'll get this message if you try the order #:
Order # not found. Please note that you can only search for submissions older than 8 months by submission number.
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On 5/5/2022 at 11:25 AM, joeypost said:
To add to your analogy, it would also be like being next in line and the cashier allows someone to get in front of you with hundreds of items. Very similar to the in-house signings. These appear to get priority over EVERYTHING else, regardless of how much you paid, the tier selected and when they were sent in.
Worse than that, I typically have the patience to allow someone in front of me at the grocery line... because it's only a few minutes and not a big deal. If that cashier told me they're going to now hold my groceries hostage for 1 year while I wait in line as thousands came in front of me to have their groceries autographed by Chris Claremont I'd likely not have the same patience, although I would think it would be pretty cool to see Chris Claremont signing a nice head of lettuce so there is that.
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