Vince G

Please add me to the contest.

I sent in a Chamber 23 to remove a ton of creasing.  Nothing could be done about the long color breaking creases and I knew that going in.  CCS took out all the defects that could be pressed out but the book's grade remained the same.  It's not uncommon pending the type of defects already present on the book.  My book does look much, much better, though 

Welp, my best round was this last one.  Guess I won't be finishing in last place.  It's a miracle.

On 2/4/2024 at 8:13 PM, Matt1982 said:

Thanks to everyone - very happy with this one.

 

Did you have them press it before it was graded?  Appears so but just wanted to ask.

On 2/3/2024 at 12:51 PM, Morganmi said:

Great book. I'd put this in about the 5.0 range because of the  foxing and chipping.Front cover presents a very nicely though which helps the value if you are planning to sell it. 

 As far as pressing you should talk to someone with a ton of experience with this type of book. From the pictures it looks like the chipping is of the type you should not press but again it's hard to tell just from pictures and you should consult with someone like @joeypost who has a good reputation on the boards here.  Good luck and thanks for showing this awesome comic. 

I agree with you.  I see some pressable defects but are there enough to warrant a bump in grade, say from 5.0 to 5.5?  I'm not entirely certain of that.  But yes, definitely speak with a presser who has lots of experience with GA books.  Great book!

Considering the moderate foxing and slight interior cover tanning, I'd put this at a 4.5-5.0.  However, in the current cgc grading contest I've undergraded every book by 0.5-1.5, so please take my opinion with a grain of salt.

On 2/2/2024 at 8:59 PM, AJD said:

Yah, I was at 5.5 without the hole!

My thinking exactly.  5.5 without the hole.  I dropped it to a 4.5 considering that additional defect.  Apparently, that was flawed thinking.

On 1/29/2024 at 8:51 PM, Panda2 said:

I got the 6.0 on the first book but was a full 1.0 grade harsher on the others(I spent a lot of time comparing to my own graded books) and either things have become more lenient or I am losing my mind. 
-iron man - soft corners, abraded edges, creasing and wear across the top?  9.2?  I had it at 8.5

-comet I was at 5.5 but waffled with a 6. The extra stain and the piece out got me lower

-HOS I saw spine stress lines and some wear that I wouldn’t have thought to see in 9.  I was at 8.0

-fear 10- I thought the abraded corners brought this down but clearly I just have to adjust my grading  I was a full point under on all the newer books  I had this at 7.5

 

this was a sad round of 8 points

 

 

Agreed.  Based on the cert numbers these books were all recently graded.  I'm thinking the same; that grading has gotten more lenient.  And that's what's confusing here.  The standard shouldn't change.  I have a few late 60s Marvels with similar (but lesser) corner and wear defects than the Iron Man 4 that are all 8.5 grades.

On 1/29/2024 at 8:19 PM, jcjames said:

Wow. Rocket Squad a 6.0!??  

With that big bc tear, water-stains and thoroughly rusted staple??

6.0!? 

 

I was pretty harsh on shell-head, that lower spine corner-ding/crunch and color-loss across the top, put it at 7.5 for me. 

The rest I was fairly close. 

But really, that first one is terrible. 

After seeing the grade on that book, I started thinking about sending my AF 15 down for regrading.

On 1/29/2024 at 8:21 PM, g-man said:

Yep…the lower staple on the iron man book knocked it down for me. Hard to believe it gets a 9.2. 

I should have known the bottom corner wear and color loss wouldn't have detracted from the overall grade on this book. But I definitely didn't think it would grade this high   

On 1/29/2024 at 8:10 PM, universal soldier said:

How can a piece missing on that Comet warrant a 6.5?  I thought I was being generous with a 5.5 

7 points with 1 bull.

Jeez, same as last time around.  I grade too low.  Same here on the Comet with respect to the piece out and the foreign substance on the back cover.

On 1/1/2024 at 10:41 AM, Steven Valdez said:

Thanks. I always thought every incomplete book automatically got a green label.

Nope.  I have three blue label 0.5s in my collection.  All are missing either the centerfold or a back cover.

Count me in the contest please.

On 12/29/2023 at 3:05 PM, Lightning55 said:

No one knows for sure on MJ reholder. You can see the insert from 3 edges, so it has been speculated that CGC may have not opened the inner well, but equally they may have. 

This was discussed in detail 100-150 pages ago, the parts you didn't read.

Ah, my bad. Yes, I arrived late to the party (I think page 194 late)

On 12/29/2023 at 2:54 PM, Matt1982 said:

I’m not saying that. The must have removed it from the well to confirm, but they wouldn’t regrade the book unless the outer case showed obvious signs of tampering.

That makes sense.  it would be great if someone from CGC could document the process they use for verification for these types of situations.  This would eliminate some of the guesswork and speculation. 

On 12/29/2023 at 2:34 PM, Matt1982 said:

I’m not in favor of automatically re-grading re-holders. They’d have to crack every book from the inner well, which subjects books to damage from the process. It’s also not smart for CGC because people won’t buy re-holders to get custom labels if you have to totally re-grade it.

Seems much better to design a better process/holder.

So basically, CGC took the submitter's word for it that the book was in fact a Mark Jewelers'.  That seems like a very bad business practice if you ask me, particularly because it would have implied that the submitter had to crack the book to verify the insert.  It should have raised at least one red flag at CGC, I would have thought.  Then again, it's a volume business, right?  Just move 'em out.

On 12/29/2023 at 12:32 PM, grendel013 said:

Was wondering this myself as I submitted two books earlier this year for reholder and was warned about the possibility of a grade drop. Both books were 9.8 White pages but were in the Gen 1 holders and I wanted to upgrade. They both came back 9.8 white so who knows if they were really regraded. Honest opinion is that both books deserve the 9.8. I am pretty sure CGC had to change the inner wells though because I believe I read that the Gen 1 inner well would not work with the new outer well. Sorry this doesn't answer the question but I think we can infer that CGC is not always concerned with regrading when the reholders get backlogged.

I can see setting this as a best practice would certainly eliminate the problem.

Excuse my ignorance here.  I haven't submitted anything to CGC in the past five years so I'm sure things have changed, but didn't they do a check and possibly regrade a book when it came in for reholdering?  I distinctly recall having conversations with other collectors on the topic of reholdering and some were always hesitant about sending certain books in for reholdering fearing they'd risk receiving lower grades.

Have CGC practices changed?  Or is it true that a reholder never initiated a check on the book in the case?

Thanks, guys.

On 8/18/2023 at 8:15 PM, Et-Es-Go said:

 

 

 

Such an informative post.  Thank you for taking the time to write this up!

On 7/2/2023 at 12:50 PM, Rick2you2 said:

What is the premium rate structure, if you know and can share it?

My only claim was on a book lost by FedEx coming back from CGC.  CI gave me full replacement value and turned the claim around in 6 days.

As for fee structure, I can tell you I have 200K in coverage for which I am charged 1K per year

On 6/4/2023 at 8:54 PM, CAHokie said:

At least your board name is appropriate! Lol

Very fast indeed.

On 6/3/2023 at 9:43 PM, asteroid-comix said:

511. Amazing Spider-Man #124 (VF-) $90
    
Back Cover Scan

Why not.  Take.

On 5/30/2023 at 1:00 PM, JustJimN said:

Dark Mysteries #22 (CGC 4.0 with cream to off-white pages.) $400:

Tony Tallarico art.

Only 12 in census.

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Take Dark Mysteries 22 per PM.

On 5/16/2023 at 1:15 AM, Cat-Man_America said:

Congrats, that's a beauty!  Love Schomburg's pulp seasoning on early Timely's. 

The first issue with the classic Marvel Mystery logo; another excellent book to copy Cat... 

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That is a beautiful book!  Thanks for sharing!