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To be fair you cant really call this Golden Age. I've always wondered what you call these 'tween-er books. I don't like atomic age because, well, its theme specific. I think on some level for these 'tween books you have to judge it based on its side. If its dimensions are closer to that of the average Golden Age or Silver Age, that's where you go with it.

I also live in Central Ohio. The Ohio Valley is low and flat, it floods a LOT. You have at least one sump right?

If you ever needed proof of that, read everything that happened after you wrote that LOL.

Any chance that this might in some small part be due to a possible side effect from a not so perfect pressing job? see I dont think so, I think thats just a production defect. Could be wrong, but pretty sure you see that level of misplacement of the cover on raw books too.

8.0 Has average PQ for grade (OW), and it has an issue with being off center/bad cover wrap where part of the cover wraps to the back. This is about as average an 8.0 you can probably see on those alone....having said that with the goofy ascent pattern we have seen, id be surprised if it didn't got 135-140k.

Depends on how you define "Limited". To me, top 10% is "Limited". You have a print run of 9 normal covers and one variant, thats pretty limited. Just perspective I guess.

haha, I think i was looking at the wrong edition. Ok, this is the title splash. just found a copy....yay....

But, as i said in the message. I looked at a copy of that book on youtube (someone doing a review) and I dont see this page. Now they could be skipping pages, true. But I didnt see this page so I was trying to find out if its the page in question. it would be odd no doubt to make the page, letter, correct it, stat it, indicia it, and never use it...but i just am not sure this is from that book. Anyone have a copy by chance?

here is back.

Need Some Help: Where was this page from? Hey all, i picked up a collection today and in it was this splash page. I assumed it from the Hulk versus spiderman insert from 1980 (cause it basically is saying it is). however there is a video version of the comic and I dont see this page anywhere when i watch it. . Anyone know where this might have been used? On the back i found Jim Mooney signed it, so he at least inked it. Likely Pencilled and Inked by him. Any thoughts greatly appreciated.

It sort of is, Golden age isnt 1949 really, but Satan first appeared in DC comics in Kid Eternity 15, the one with the awesome skull cover. All of it is sorta odd regardless, the Lucifer we see on TV i think is Sandman 3 or 4.

You were nice enough to let me see it when you first landed it. Such a nice page, and the condition was awesome to boot (very important to me lol). Nice!

Picked up the end page from Worlds Finest 300, when Batman and Superman reconcile. 80s baby...check out if so inclined http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1391849&GSub=145535

Any update on this? Ive been wondering.

I think these are all valid points, I just find it odd. My fear is this will somehow spread to the other books im looking to buy. I dont do as much with graded as with art but Ive dedicated this year to getting my top 10 books. Im hoping these price wars dont translate to other books.

I will be the 1st to admit I thought the CGC 6.5 was going to go for between 70k and 75k....I was wrong!! A 6.5 sold for like 36k just a few months ago, with decent PQ as well. It was a solid book if i remember correctly. Thats coming close to a 100% price increase in same grade against the last recorded GPA sale back a few months ago. Thats stupid enough. These prices dont make sense. Now, now.....let's just calm down a bit here. Since the last CC auction back in March resulted in a CGC 5.0 copy selling for $57K and a CGC 4.5 copy selling for over $37K, are we not actually seeing a significant drop in prices for AF 15's or at best, a plateauing of prices here. If the same label/grade book can increase nearly 100% in 5 month, and not like 10 dollars to 20 but one of the most expensive books in the hobby....Houston we have a problem. Something is failing in the model. I got it, prices have gone up exponentially out of the blue across the board in just a few months. But that type of swing, I got problems with. And I'm not just sour-graping it because im left out, I just picked up a 5.5 OW/W before all this price explosion occurred. Even if on some level this benefits me, I still find it troubling. The smartest guys in the hobby who have decades of experience have said this wouldn't/shouldn't happen yet it does. Basic sense tells me a book as highly graded and easily available shouldn't da-n near double in price in 5 months (especially with how many raw copies out there coming into the market every week). I'm just saying, this doesnt make much sense. I find it problematic.

I will be the 1st to admit I thought the CGC 6.5 was going to go for between 70k and 75k....I was wrong!! A 6.5 sold for like 36k just a few months ago, with decent PQ as well. It was a solid book if i remember correctly. Thats coming close to a 100% price increase in same grade against the last recorded GPA sale back a few months ago. Thats stupid enough. These prices dont make sense.

6.5 @ 61k 4.0 @ 30.5k Yep, just as scary as the 7.5. I mean dear lord, where is all this money coming from? 4.0 for over 30k?!?! A copy just sold for like 21k a few weeks back. Thats almost 50% more in less than a month?!?! Yeah I got it grade variations, all 4.0's not created equal and all that....but dear lord that big a swing in a few weeks on a book that in theory should be equivalent? Either the grading system CGC uses needs to change (If the same numeric grade can be 50% more in a few weeks because of condition factors in grade, you need a better more precise system to document those variations)...OR...this book was criminally undervalued and some weird sorta 100 monkey effect is going on where we all just collectively agreed to double the prices in a few months after 50 years of slow building pressure.

How did the copies end tonight? A 7.5 I heard sold for over 100k, what did the rest do?

Sure, but let me first ask my financial comic guru for his advice. Wow that was fast he actually just responded down below. ? I dont follow. I was asking if anyone had seen a copy of the book for anywhere near 2016 prices, the lack of examples seemed to indicate there was a major price jump? Was this you disagreeing?

No, I'm not stuck. This is EXACTLY my point. The book across the board is up substantially in the last few months, and copies with good "Social Media" value have seen nearly 100% price increases in the last 5 month. That book that sold 57k was in average below average shape for the grade....and it sold for more than TWICE what 5.0 sold for in 2016 on average. Its FRONT cover appeal was awesome, everything else below average, and it destroyed the price point. This book is in structure wise infinitely better shape. Great page quality, no major staining, spine tight, running the table its a longer living nicer structure grade book. It sold for 21,000.00 US less. You could have at one point last year have almost BOUGHT another entire new copy of the book in the same grade with the differences in prices between the two. Basically in summary: 1. Front cover condition is all that is mattering it seems to this new class of buyer that has emerged in the last year. A. No intense marvel chipping, one chip at most if. B. Good cover color C. Decent centering D. Blue Label, CGC, Higher the number the better 2. Structure grades like PQ and qualifiers mean less to them than they should. Back Cover can be trashed, as long as front looks great (and pages aren't brittle/brown). 3. Prices across the board are up between 25-100% in grade, better that front cover the closer to the 100% you get. Is it right? Is it sustainable? cant answer that but the reality on the ground is pretty much established I think.

Not sure if this was discussed yet but just incase not. The AF15 5.0 OW/W on CL sold a few days back. it cleared 36,000.00US. It has great page quality, very off center, and heavy Marvel Chipping. I think this really makes sense with the "Social Media" argument. It didnt look very good but it was structure and general wear wise in nice shape so it graded well. All of its flaws were due to poor cover placement and cutting. The average selling price last year on that book was 27,000.00 US. A very poor lower end of the scale copy of the book just sold for 9000 over last years average price, exactly 25% over just a few months ago...and it was a very unappealing copy with dozen+ compounding chips out of it. Had the book had 1 or less chips and more centered Any question that same 5.0 sells 45-55k?

Anyone know what the cheapest available 4.0 is right now to buy? Not auction, not "make offer". Like who has the cheapest 4.0 for sale as of today anyone can buy? The average price for reported sales went from 13-16k (going up as time went on). Whats the least you can pay for it today? At the end of the day, what someone will sell it for right now tells you what you need to know about this book. Anyone willing to sell ANY unrestored decent PQ copy of this book for any price within 25% of 2016 prices?

In this crazy world, it will be 50k. No chipping, ok page quality, well centered, colors decent. Its a Social Media approved copy...expect 50k.

I see him as the editor, but honestly seeing the guys name on the tombstone I was thinking maybe he did some work on it. His name is the only one on the actual art. Side note, all the names signed at bottom are actually signed by the guys I discovered. Each is in different handwriting and Pen style...so bonus.