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That's one book this year (Venom 1). Check dealer order sheets- mostly 1:10's, 15's, maybe a few 25's. Almost no 50's or higher. The incentives are more based on past order thresholds with dealers being able to order however many variants they want. 2014 was basically the last year of the higher ratio variants being offered. Evidently Marvel doesn't want to spring for the talent to do those covers anymore, hence why the bigger names are doing more and more store exclusives. Had a nice talk with an LCS about it recently. Interesting stuff. -J. One book, huh? Champions #1 just came out at 328k distribution. That 1:1000 isn't looking that "rare" anymore. How about the Deadpool Back in Black 1:50 and 1:100's in the last month? Uh-huh. That's three books. All #1's. Either you're missing the point or you are ignoring it. I didn't say Marvel isn't releasing any. I said they have scaled it way back, and incentives are based more on past orders now than before and lower ratios. Either prove me wrong or say I'm lying, but don't split hairs, if you know what I am reporting is essentially true. Find better things to do with your time. -J.

That's one book this year (Venom 1). Check dealer order sheets- mostly 1:10's, 15's, maybe a few 25's. Almost no 50's or higher. The incentives are more based on past order thresholds with dealers being able to order however many variants they want. 2014 was basically the last year of the higher ratio variants being offered more regularly. Evidently Marvel doesn't want to spring for the talent to do those covers anymore, hence why the bigger names are doing more and more store exclusives. It might explain why so many high ratio variants from this era (2009-2014) have taken off. Had a nice talk with a high volume LCS owner about it recently. Interesting stuff. -J.

It's "amazing" how some of the comments early in this thread mimic the early comments in the Bats 608RRP thread. And how equally wrong they were too. -J.

-J.

This high concept art and eye popping prices realized for this book has raised the profile of all of the other "Venom Variants" that were released that month at this point. The fact that they were all 1:50's (something Marvel is not doing many of these days) makes them all pretty rare. This is still the original and still the best by a country mile. As evidenced by a couple of notable CGC sales over the last couple of weeks: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amazing-Spider-Man-678-Venom-Mary-Variant-CGC-9-0-Autograph-Signed-Stan-Lee-/112186647357?hash=item1a1ed8633d:g:ebYAAOSwo4pYFRMR And Greg Reece Comics sold a 9.6 direct from his site for $1900 (now on GPA). As cool as some of the other Venom covers from the month are, the darkly satiric sight of an unseen Peter Parker being confronted by a Venom-izing Mary Jane in mid-possession is just beyond compare. -J.

You're only looking at three sales in three years that were all at or near GPA lows, where I am looking at the movement of the book over a 10+ year period, which gives us a much better picture of how the book got from Point A to Point B. In that context , no, going from a $3k book to even a $5k book over the span of 12 years is not particularly dramatic (even less so considering the plethora of other books, variant and non-variant alike that have doubled in value in a week and tripled in less than a year at the mere hint of a movie or TV rumour). That, and there was also a green label 9.8 of this book that sold for $3k over a year ago (Oct. 2015) that I think you might be overlooking on GPA. As I said, with a book with such a constrained supply as this one, it doesn't take much additional demand to create price movements. -J

3-4 years can be an eternity in nearly any market. Especially when only three copies of a book come up for sale in grade during that time. Once copies dry up into permanent collections it doesn't take very much new demand to trigger price spikes. Though the book was selling for as high as $3k back in 2004, so even at $5k the extent of appreciation over the last decade looks far less dramatic , if not rather moderate over the long run for a rarely offered, low print run Batman variant that's going on 15 years old. -J.

Nope. But even accounting for the typical 10-15% Voldy discount, that still puts you right at GPA for CGC copies. -J. Did you really just cite two Voldy examples to "prove your point". That's pretty low. Secondly where did you pull 10-15% discount from? I know somebody that has tracked every public auction Voldy sale since Day 1. Across the board the number is more like a 25% discount on average. People care...and please stop thinking for us and tell us people don't. Jim Yes. I cited the other two most recently available 9.8 sales data for a common book, that's also common in a "newsstand" version (see, eg the three copies offered in the last month). The greater spread in Voldy pricing is in the GA and SA. In common, Copper and Modern books, it can be as little as 5%. Try doing your homework first and then posting for once. -J. You really don't have a clue do you, about anything? I just picked two random books and "did my homework" Last 3 sales for a Voldy 9.8 NM #98 $535, $606, and $611 Last 4 sales for a CGC equivalent $720, 698, 632, 675 Last sale of a Voldy Bats #404 9.8 $99.95 (only one sale in 90 days) Last 4 sales of a CGC equaivalent $150, $165, $129 and $161 If that's 5% in your world, you know as little about real life as you do this hobby. You spread misinformed garbage as the truth all the time, and I've really had enough of it. Jim Great , now work on your reading comprehension. I can't see how linking direct, competing data points constitutes "garbage" and "misinformation " in your book. Well actually maybe I can, since it directly contradicts one of your most favoured myths that you like to promulgate on the boards. And I said the difference between CGC and Voldy was "as little" as 5% on common moderns , and up to 10-15% on common as dirt Coppers like this book, and often more in the GA and SA. Which is reflected even in the cherry picked data that you present (I'm not counting Bats 404 because one Voldy sale isn't enough to tell us anything). And if you find yourself disagreeing with me so passionately as to constantly take personal swipes , feel free to refrain from interacting with me, as I have found your baseless opinions and statements to be so confounding at times that I have never once initiated any interactions with you. Good day sir. -J.

Um excuse me. Not dam60. Me. Flying donut was a believer of this book from the beginning based on this thread which started in 2003. During this period the book has survived a major united states recession, part of Bush's presidency, Ben Afleck as Batman(barf) and prices are well beyond $500 . 13 years going strong. How many more years before modern haters will give it its due? Another 10 years ? Once it hits 25? I'd love to know to everyone's thoughts. The only thing the history of this thread shows is the ingrained and institutional disdain that a cluster of boardies (unfortunately) have for modern variants, when if anything, this book was a harbinger for things to come in the Modern market. Which is why I said I think a case could be made for it being the pivot point into the Modern Age as we know it today (but a strong case could be made for Walking Dead #1 as well). -J. No, you said that because you are clueless and irrational. Hi RMA. Working on getting strikes on this account too now, I see. -J.

Um excuse me. Not dam60. Me. Flying donut was a believer of this book from the beginning based on this thread which started in 2003. During this period the book has survived a major united states recession, part of Bush's presidency, Ben Afleck as Batman(barf) and prices are well beyond $500 . 13 years going strong. How many more years before modern haters will give it its due? Another 10 years ? Once it hits 25? I'd love to know to everyone's thoughts. The only thing the history of this thread shows is the ingrained and institutional disdain that a cluster of boardies (unfortunately) have for modern variants, when if anything, this book was a harbinger for things to come in the Modern market. Which is why I said I think a case could be made for it being the pivot point into the Modern Age as we know it today (but a strong case could be made for Walking Dead #1 as well). -J. Why not include both? The books were what a year apart? Jerome "There can only be one." -J.

Um excuse me. Not dam60. Me. Flying donut was a believer of this book from the beginning based on this thread which started in 2003. During this period the book has survived a major united states recession, part of Bush's presidency, Ben Afleck as Batman(barf) and prices are well beyond $500 . 13 years going strong. How many more years before modern haters will give it its due? Another 10 years ? Once it hits 25? I'd love to know to everyone's thoughts. The only thing the history of this thread shows is the ingrained and institutional disdain that a cluster of boardies (unfortunately) have for modern variants, when if anything, this book was a harbinger for things to come in the Modern market. Which is why I said I think a case could be made for it being the pivot point into the Modern Age as we know it today (but a strong case could be made for Walking Dead #1 as well). -J.

There's really no "premium" either way. Not enough people care. -J Pick a number... how many people need to care? Because this is a number: $1,600 http://www.ebay.com/itm/252619622987 GPA was $1,000. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=252619622987 Four different bidders bid at least 35% "premium" over GPA. The final was 60% "premium" over GPA. But like everything else where there's not (ever going to be) 100% agreement, let's just keep repeating... "Not enough people care." Right. That auction was shilled, and at best is an outlier. Here are two other 9.8 sales of "newsstand" copies from the last month, one for $1000: http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-COMICS-AMAZING-SPIDER-MAN-300-1988-CBCS-9-8-1st-VENOM-KEY-ISSUE-/232113007539?hash=item360b036bb3%3Ag%3AFh0AAOSwzaJX%7E8en&nma=true&si=qgYwxrvFOCf5e4Mw7iWlMzFOyNo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 and one for $900 (almost half the price of this last one??? ) http://item.ebay.co.uk/232105339278?item_hash4=8a5876d1&LH_Complete=1&LH_BIN=1&LH_BO=1&_ipg=200&_pgn=1&rc=nt&rmvSB=true Not enough people care. -J. The first auction didn't mention "Newsstand" and is not a CGC book. The second link was an accepted BEST OFFER, not an auction. Four different bidders over 35% of GPA on the $1,600 book and you call it shilled. What do you call it when a modern book goes for $3,000+ because of two high bidders? Shilly-shilled? We aren't talking about a "modern", we are talking about a common-as-dirt-in-all-forms Copper book. A sale is a sale is a sale. There are two 9.8 in the last month that sold for $1000 or less for a "newsstand" version of this book. I could link even more (including other CGC copies) if ebay would go back more then 3 months. I know these sales do not fit with your narrative, but look- there they are anyway. There is no "60%" premium for CGC books over Voldy on excessively common books such as this, and I don't think even you, in your most frothy and deluded state believe that there is a "60%" premium" for a newsstand copy of this. As I said, best case scenario, it's an outlier, worst case, it was shilled (and it was shilled by at least one fake 0 feedback bidder). -J. The 0 feedback bidder was the 4th highest bid. Why do you keep saying the auction was shilled when that bidder, shill-or-not, made no difference? What we have with Amazing Spider-man #300 is a book that's nearly 30 years old, extremely popular, with thousands of graded copies. The book is stable... the market is stable... it's not a rarely-seen book in CGC 9.8. It's downright common. No one would pay $1,600 for a CGC 9.8 $1,000 common book unless there was something special about that book. $1,200 gets anyone a Buy-It-Now in two seconds: http://www.ebay.com/itm/381838529743 GPA is $1,000 if you wait for an auction to end. Two bidders bid over $1,500 for it. Why? CGC 9.8 Newsstand. So I guess that guy who got another 9.8 Newsstand for nearly half the price two weeks ago got the bargain of the century. -J. Are you talking about the CGC 9.8 that had a best offer accepted for $900? That seller decided, not the market. Or are you talking about the CBCS 9.8 that didn't mention that it was Newsstand so a search for CGC Newsstand would have missed... twice? Because a regular old auction for a CGC 9.8 Newsstand just ended at $1,600. That's my point. I never know what your point is... except that it's usually to say that demonstrated facts aren't enough facts for you, and that your opinion should be enough to for us to consider it a fact. My point is that the qualifiers that you are attempting to place on two other, recent sales that show no "premium" are not valid, as is your attempt to minimize the blatant shill bidding that happened in this auction. My point is that there is no consistent or provable "premium" that can reliably be demonstrated because not enough collectors care enough either way to pay one. My point is that for every one sale you can show that you think demonstrates a "premium", I can show (at least) one sale that shows there is none. Erratic and inconsistent data cannot be used to "prove" anything one way or the other. That's my point. -J.

There's really no "premium" either way. Not enough people care. -J Pick a number... how many people need to care? Because this is a number: $1,600 http://www.ebay.com/itm/252619622987 GPA was $1,000. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=252619622987 Four different bidders bid at least 35% "premium" over GPA. The final was 60% "premium" over GPA. But like everything else where there's not (ever going to be) 100% agreement, let's just keep repeating... "Not enough people care." Right. That auction was shilled, and at best is an outlier. Here are two other 9.8 sales of "newsstand" copies from the last month, one for $1000: http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-COMICS-AMAZING-SPIDER-MAN-300-1988-CBCS-9-8-1st-VENOM-KEY-ISSUE-/232113007539?hash=item360b036bb3%3Ag%3AFh0AAOSwzaJX%7E8en&nma=true&si=qgYwxrvFOCf5e4Mw7iWlMzFOyNo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 and one for $900 (almost half the price of this last one??? ) http://item.ebay.co.uk/232105339278?item_hash4=8a5876d1&LH_Complete=1&LH_BIN=1&LH_BO=1&_ipg=200&_pgn=1&rc=nt&rmvSB=true Not enough people care. -J. The first auction didn't mention "Newsstand" and is not a CGC book. The second link was an accepted BEST OFFER, not an auction. Four different bidders over 35% of GPA on the $1,600 book and you call it shilled. What do you call it when a modern book goes for $3,000+ because of two high bidders? Shilly-shilled? We aren't talking about a "modern", we are talking about a common-as-dirt-in-all-forms Copper book. A sale is a sale is a sale. There are two 9.8 in the last month that sold for $1000 or less for a "newsstand" version of this book. I could link even more (including other CGC copies) if ebay would go back more then 3 months. I know these sales do not fit with your narrative, but look- there they are anyway. There is no "60%" premium for CGC books over Voldy on excessively common books such as this, and I don't think even you, in your most frothy and deluded state believe that there is a "60%" premium" for a newsstand copy of this. As I said, best case scenario, it's an outlier, worst case, it was shilled (and it was shilled by at least one fake 0 feedback bidder). -J. The 0 feedback bidder was the 4th highest bid. Why do you keep saying the auction was shilled when that bidder, shill-or-not, made no difference? What we have with Amazing Spider-man #300 is a book that's nearly 30 years old, extremely popular, with thousands of graded copies. The book is stable... the market is stable... it's not a rarely-seen book in CGC 9.8. It's downright common. No one would pay $1,600 for a CGC 9.8 $1,000 common book unless there was something special about that book. $1,200 gets anyone a Buy-It-Now in two seconds: http://www.ebay.com/itm/381838529743 GPA is $1,000 if you wait for an auction to end. Two bidders bid over $1,500 for it. Why? CGC 9.8 Newsstand. So I guess that guy who got another 9.8 Newsstand for nearly half the price two weeks ago got the bargain of the century. -J.

Nope. But even accounting for the typical 10-15% Voldy discount, that still puts you right at GPA for CGC copies. -J. Did you really just cite two Voldy examples to "prove your point". That's pretty low. Secondly where did you pull 10-15% discount from? I know somebody that has tracked every public auction Voldy sale since Day 1. Across the board the number is more like a 25% discount on average. People care...and please stop thinking for us and tell us people don't. Jim Yes. I cited the other two most recently available 9.8 sales data for a common book, that's also common in a "newsstand" version (see, eg the three copies offered in the last month). The greater spread in Voldy pricing is in the GA and SA. In common, Copper and Modern books, it can be as little as 5%. Try doing your homework first and then posting for once. -J.

There's really no "premium" either way. Not enough people care. -J Pick a number... how many people need to care? Because this is a number: $1,600 http://www.ebay.com/itm/252619622987 GPA was $1,000. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=252619622987 Four different bidders bid at least 35% "premium" over GPA. The final was 60% "premium" over GPA. But like everything else where there's not (ever going to be) 100% agreement, let's just keep repeating... "Not enough people care." Right. That auction was shilled, and at best is an outlier. Here are two other 9.8 sales of "newsstand" copies from the last month, one for $1000: http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-COMICS-AMAZING-SPIDER-MAN-300-1988-CBCS-9-8-1st-VENOM-KEY-ISSUE-/232113007539?hash=item360b036bb3%3Ag%3AFh0AAOSwzaJX%7E8en&nma=true&si=qgYwxrvFOCf5e4Mw7iWlMzFOyNo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 and one for $900 (almost half the price of this last one??? ) http://item.ebay.co.uk/232105339278?item_hash4=8a5876d1&LH_Complete=1&LH_BIN=1&LH_BO=1&_ipg=200&_pgn=1&rc=nt&rmvSB=true Not enough people care. -J. The first auction didn't mention "Newsstand" and is not a CGC book. The second link was an accepted BEST OFFER, not an auction. Four different bidders over 35% of GPA on the $1,600 book and you call it shilled. What do you call it when a modern book goes for $3,000+ because of two high bidders? Shilly-shilled? We aren't talking about a "modern", we are talking about a common-as-dirt-in-all-forms Copper book. A sale is a sale is a sale. There are two 9.8 in the last month that sold for $1000 or less for a "newsstand" version of this book. I could link even more (including other CGC copies) if ebay would go back more then 3 months. I know these sales do not fit with your narrative, but look- there they are anyway. There is no "60%" premium for CGC books over Voldy on excessively common books such as this, and I don't think even you, in your most frothy and deluded state believe that there is a "60%" premium" for a newsstand copy of this. As I said, best case scenario, it's an outlier, worst case, it was shilled (and it was shilled by at least one fake 0 feedback bidder). -J.

We're not in charge here,Negan donut is........ -J.

I think that's what they call a "victory lap". -J.

Nope. But even accounting for the typical 10-15% Voldy discount, that still puts you right at GPA for CGC copies. -J.

There's really no "premium" either way. Not enough people care. -J Pick a number... how many people need to care? Because this is a number: $1,600 http://www.ebay.com/itm/252619622987 GPA was $1,000. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=252619622987 Four different bidders bid at least 35% "premium" over GPA. The final was 60% "premium" over GPA. But like everything else where there's not (ever going to be) 100% agreement, let's just keep repeating... "Not enough people care." Right. That auction was shilled, and at best is an outlier. Here are two other 9.8 sales of "newsstand" copies from the last month, one for $1000: http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-COMICS-AMAZING-SPIDER-MAN-300-1988-CBCS-9-8-1st-VENOM-KEY-ISSUE-/232113007539?hash=item360b036bb3%3Ag%3AFh0AAOSwzaJX%7E8en&nma=true&si=qgYwxrvFOCf5e4Mw7iWlMzFOyNo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 and one for $900 (almost half the price of this last one??? ) http://item.ebay.co.uk/232105339278?item_hash4=8a5876d1&LH_Complete=1&LH_BIN=1&LH_BO=1&_ipg=200&_pgn=1&rc=nt&rmvSB=true Not enough people care. -J.

Yes the vast majority of collectors and Batman readers agree with you. Not only that but the story arc put Batman back on the map and to the top of the sales charts overnight , nearly tripling the sales of 607. It was a turning point for the title and the fact that it had such a limited variant (unique at the time ) was icing on the cake. To wit, there's a reason why the RRP , was shockingly selling for "$500" shortly after being released. -J.

Agreed. Somebody was just looking to get a more "affordable" copy in the raw. -J.

Fixed it for you Jerome That's a long shot of long shots. Nobody has pulled a 9.8 on one in more than two years. Realistically, somebody most likely paid $2100 for a raw 9.4. Which is probably about right. -J.

It definitely has. If or when "the market" decides to delineate a real "Modern Age" either this book or Walking Dead #1 would be the best and most likely starting points. I would probably give the edge to this book since it's a variant (one of the first of its kind, and this age will predominately be remembered and known for those) a first appearance and Part 1 of a significant Bats storyline. -J.

It must be okay if the seller says it's in 'excellent NM' condition. I think he means to say it's a 9.5 grade The power of this book never ceases to amaze, 2 large opening bid..... Jerome $2,100 Damn. That's pretty good considering there's no back cover pic and no zoom-able front cover pic. -J.

Very nice. Perfect centering on that bad boy. -J.