Jaydogrules

This entire thread is irrelevant. -J.

Hmmm, yeah, nah. Think I'll just slice through all that nonsense you just posted with something from DC's own wikia: https://www.dccomics.com/characters/lex-luthor -J.

Yeezus, I have absolutely no interest in nearly any of this stuff. I suspect that we will quickly get an MCU FF and/or X men film(s) fast tracked once most of this announced stuff underperforms. Or maybe that's just my own "superhero fatigue" kicking in. -J.

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Everybody knows the first Lois cover is Action 23. -J.

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"Logic"? That's ironic coming from someone who continues to falsely state that the SECOND appearance of Lex was somehow "published" before his actual first appearance (relative delivery dates to newsstands notwithstanding, and entirely irrelevant to canon, even if occurred as you believe). And yes, when it comes to comics, content is king. Semantics are for lawyers. Your interpretation of what constitutes a "first appearance" is virtually unprecedented in the world of comics, and certainly doesn't pass the smell test in the GA (though hucksters try to make similar kinds of arguments quite frequently in the Moderns section). No, your point was to get validation of your second appearance comic. Sorry to break it to you, but people agreeing and disagreeing with you in this thread won't change anything. Kind of like it never does for those people who constantly want to flare up those hulk 180 vs 181 debates. Kind of like that indeed... -J.

So, to reiterate.... Superman 4, the obvious and undisputed canonical SECOND appearance of Lex, was somehow "published" "before" his first appearance in Action 23 (according to you). Got it. (And no emotion here from me. I actually own the first appearance of Lex, so I don't need to tilt at windmills to try to undo decades of canon based solely on a quirk in delivery schedules for books that did not even share the same release patterns (quarterly vs monthly). Though I am trying to figure out if you're just trolling here with some of your proclamations.) -J.

You've officially veered into La-La Land dude. But yeah, sure you're right, whatever you say. I think you've really stumbled onto something here. Something everyone has missed and had all wrong for the last nearly 100 years. Better hurry up and stock up on more of those cheap and common Superman 4's. I hear they're about to explooooooooode. -J. -J.

Maybe because the "true first published appearance" of Luthor is Action 23 (as certainly DC did not "publish" the second appearance of Lex- "a-ha, we meet again!"-first, lol). That Superman 4 (a quarterly) may or may not have been dropped off at the newsstands a few days before Action 23 (a monthly) does not undermine nor supersede publisher intent. You are making a purely semantic argument that reminds me a lot of the "but, but, but why doesn't Hulk 180 sell for more than Hulk 181?" variety. After 40-80 years people know what are in these books and they know what they are buying. No one has anything "wrong". I get it, Superman 4 is cheap and much more common than Action 23. But it's also the second appearance of Lex, and will always only be that. -J.

Anyone attempting to argue that Superman 4 (a quarterly), that may or may not have hit stands a few days before Action 23 (a monthly) is the "real first appearance of Lex" is making nothing but a purely semantic argument that ignores canon and author/publisher intent. Which is especially odd given that comics, by their very nature, are a sequential storytelling medium. It is indisputable that the canonical first appearance is Action 23, something that a potential quirk in the books' delivery dates does not undermine, as evidenced by the fact that no legitimate comic book authority has EVER called superman 4 anything other than the second appearance of Lex (if even that). -J.

Putting aside the notion that it would take nearly 20 years for us to know something based on the census that is already known based on the Diamond' printer's invoice for the book, and again, using your own criteria, how do you account for the more than 200 additional submitted copies of the 608RRP over the same nearly decade length of time that we already have as a comparison for submissions between the two books? Or, put another way, after 8 years, the 608RRP had nearly one-half of its estimated print run submitted to and graded by CGC. If the ASM 667 were following that trajectory then that would mean there are less than 100 copies of that book in existence (actually a possibility given that half or more of the single case pack that was printed was rumored to have been damaged during distribution). -J.

Erm.... No. Much like the Bats608RRP, submissions to CGC for the ASM 667 started hitting the census within ~six months of their initial distribution (actually the ASM 667 started hitting the census about 3 weeks after its release, which means it has an even longer history of submissions than the 608RRP over the same 8 year period). And after 8 years of submissions the 608RRP stood at... 247 copies. After a comparable period of 8 years, the 667 stands at about 42. Yeah.. That's over 200 copies less than 608RRP during the same time frame. Considering that the highest estimates of the 608RRP are 500-600, the notion that there would be as many as 750 copies of the ASM 667 is patently absurd on its face (using your own criteria). That, and the fact that the printer's invoice to Diamond specifically states that only one single case pack of about 225 copies was produced also blows a hole in your presumptions. So no need for guesswork. -J.

Wow now that is cool. Any idea on the grade ? -J.

What makes (a) variant comic valuable? The same thing that makes anything else valuable- people want it and there aren't quite enough to meet demand. In the case of the variants that have held and grown in value over the course of several years, there does seem to be a pattern among the books having most or all of these characteristics- 1) Printed between 2009-2014 2) Drawn by a top/A-lister artist 3) A-list subject matter 4) Within a long running title 5) Spider-man/Spider-Man related 6) Low census population relative to other variants from the same general time period 7) The art for the book has been reprinted/re-purposed for another comic and/or use There's probably more but these were the ones of the top of my head. Happy hunting! -J.

Looks like one just sold today on Ebay for $3800. -J.

Some of these average "declines" have recent sales that exceed the 90 day average by quite a bit. -J.

I personally know of three (one went up a grade, one stayed the same, and one blue 9.8 that turned into a 9.8 SS). But never mind that, there are the same couple people who will beat this long dead horse until the thread is locked (again). -J.

Just because certain people do not have access to certain documents does not mean those documents do not exist. -J.

*sigh* Just because certain people are not privy to certain information that others are, does not mean that said information does not exist. In spades. -J.

Exactly uno (never saw much purpose in owning multiple copies of the same book). -J.

Welcome to the club, and awesome book! -J.

Yes. -J.

Actually it was partly that, but more so the fact that the book was not offered for order until after the final order cut off for the month had passed (and later extended by only one week on this one book). These, together with the fact that there was another heavily ordered, competing, non-qualifying variant for the same issue, resulted in the book being either overlooked or entirely ignored by dealers and one single case pack of around 225 copies being printed. -J.

Closer to 500-600 actually... -J.