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Most of those VIFF "critics" were bought and paid for. This was NEVER a "10 out of 10, Five Star, Let's Just Start Handing Out the Oscars Now" movie. That was hype to create "buzz". But that buzz was too early. This movie is still three weeks away, and most of the TIFF crowd hated this thing. Sorry, but this movie sounds rather contemptible to me as well, and it seems to me even WB knows it's going to be a "love it/hate it" affair to whatever masses show up for it. On that note, more recently, Variety now has it at $76MM on the low end for opening and even WB, in an apparent attempt to manage outlandish fanboy expectations has it at $50MM on the low end. Both are a far cry from the absurd $100MM+ boxofficepro was spouting just a week ago. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ign.com/articles/2019/09/13/joker-projected-to-beat-venoms-opening-weekend-box-office-record%3famp=1 -J.

Venom Along Came a Spider 1- First appearance of the Hybrid symbiote. Featured prominently in Cates' latest Venom First Host storyline. -J.

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No need. It's a beaut! -J.

@Bosco685 I get the feeling you believe these negative critical reviews, dragging down the score will impact box office. Don't worry, it won't. Though I don't think it will end up "certified fresh" it will probably settle in to the mid-high 60%s. But as we have seen with a litany of recent releases from Venom to Bohemian Rhapsody, Rocketman, Booksmart, Blinded By the Light, etc etc, critics are virtually irrelevant these days, which makes Rotten Tomatoes irrelevant beyond maybe bragging rights for industry people who still haven't gotten the memo. -J.

Nah, more like this one, which is far more severe than both of those combined : -J.

Nope. I've seen it on graded 7.0's. -J.

Case in point, box office pro, as recently as 4 days ago, spouted that It chapter 2 could earn as high as $140MM. It will now be fortunate to get to $90MM. So yeah, take their ludicrous predictions with the same grain of salt you take mine. -J.

This is just about making predictions. It's all guesswork. Care to make one yourself ? -J.

According to @paperheart their predictions are usually laughably wrong. -J.

What "demographics" are specifically interested in something like this? You ain't touching $80MM let alone $100MM in October without families. And unlike "It", which was an absurdly and un-scary soft "R" rating that had a bunch of kids, and Deadpool, which only got an "R" due to its excessive comedic raunch, Joker is a hard "R" (something I actually like), low budget self styled down and dirty, grungy wannabe "art house" piece. So other than die hard fanboys, disaffected adolescent males who live on the internet, and fans of art house grunge cinema, who else is going to get you to those delusional, hyped up numbers ? Because I don't know a single person who follows critical reaction from obscure movie festivals or use that as a basis for going to see a movie. Especially when, as of now, there are still only a very small handful of reviews actually in. -J.

I saw that too. That really is just dumb isn't it. -J.

BS articles like this are starting to make me think this is all nothing but hype. -J.

Very nice. Looking forward to seeing it added to your mighty sig line. -J.

I think he is talking about people he personally knows that have seen it, not "in the tank" critics who were invited to a film festival. For the record, the trailer does nothing for me either. -J.

Not a chance. You need a massive general audience, including families and date nighters to turn out to get numbers anywhere near this, and this movie is not that kind of movie, even according to the three dozen or so critics who have posted reviews on it. It isn't fun or funny, and it is "dark" with no Batman. There is a reason why Venom went the PG 13, "hey let's have Tom Hardy jump in a lobster tank", route. The YouTube final trailer view numbers aren't that great on this either. -J.

Not really. Realistically, in today's worldwide marketing and release environment, tentpoles need to make 4×-5× production budget to break even theatrically (depending on how the domestic to foreign splits break down). Case in point, Aquaman, with a similarly stupid budget, grossed about $1.15B worldwide and "only" profited about $260MM according to Deadline, meaning its theatrical break even point was about $850MM, give or take. And this movie won't make near what Aquaman did domestically. If this peters out under $200MM domestically, its doubtful it will make Deadline's cut. -J.

Given the big, dumb budget this movie had, its domestic number is kind of sad. As such, still needs about another $175MM to break even. Good luck with that with It 2 on the way next weekend... -J.

*sigh* And yet... https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMAZING-FANTASY-15-CGC-3-0-ORIGIN-amp-1ST-APP-SPIDER-MAN-1295172001-/273971839183?hash=item3fc9fe80cf%3Ag%3AvjwAAOSwAitdWvK1&nma=true&si=iFZRySQ5y%2FIXXG0HfR%2Fz791DLhQ%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 So comic link had a couple difficult to explain less than stellar results in this particular auction? This won't be the last auction, and this isn't the only venue where copies have been changing hands, at all sorts of price points, for all sorts of reasons, to all sorts of buyers with all sorts of tastes, no doubt. -J.

OMG are people seriously believing Marvel will bench Parker, their #1 character and title just to spite Sony, despite the fact that Disney literally owns ALL other rights to the character, other than film? I won't even get into the part where Sony ALSO still owns the film rights to all other Spider related characters, so "replacing" Parker with another in its flagship title would make ZERO sense for that reason alone. -J.

The days of movie critics making or breaking a film are long gone. I notice nobody else here has really ventured a guess on this movie's box office, so I'll be the first. Unfortunately, these critics are confirming my worst impressions of this film from the trailers that it is a pretentious artsy-fartsy bore. Its R-rating and lack of general audience appeal will be somewhat offset in the first week by the "Joker" name recognition. $40MM-$50MM domestic opening, topping out at $200MM-$250MM worldwide due to scant international audience interest. -J.

Fantastic Four 1: 1496 -J.

Very nice pick ups, Congrats! -J.

Hmmmmm... yeah. Although I know that Scott Mendelson at Forbes already loves everything about this movie, I'm just not seeing "record breaking blockbuster" here. -J.

Actually, if the seller knew what he was doing he will only be paying about $562 in total fees to Ebay and PayPal ($250- Ebay, $312- PayPal). -J.